"People normally speed to an emergency situation. Jeremy was noted for speeding in general not just emergency situations. Instead of speeding like normal he decided in this emergency situation to take it very slow. That is SUSPICIOUS."
Not true, he got from his cottage to the scene in under 5 minutes from Goldhanger. Getting from his cottage in Goldhanger to Pages Lane at the farmhouse in under 5 minutes is not suspicious. You try and do it in that time, see how you fare. Then along the way don't forget to slow down as though you have got a police car hurtling up behind you in the road with its blue lights flashing, and then drive at normal speed from that point on, whilst imagining the police car which overtook you a mile or so from the scene, continues to race ahead.
Your claim he got there in under 5 minutes features your made up claim that he phoned police at 3:36 and got off the phone after 3:40 then rushed over. How long did he take to get dressed 5 seconds? The truth is that Jeremy was on the phone with police from around 3:23-3:35 and was then was to go to WHF and didn't need to dress because his claim he had been soundly sleeping was a lie. He took his time to make sure police beat him there.
"He didn't rush over"
Oh, Yes, he did...
He claimed Nevill phoned him at 3:10. He phoned Julie and then phoned the police and after police told him to meet him there he slowly drove over. On no planet is that rushing right over.
"He didn't call 999 he called Julie"
There was no need for him to call 999. Yes, he called Julie, after he failed to get a response from Witham police station, he has admitted doing that, and as far as I am concerned there was nothing wrong with him doing what he did in the sequence he did these things, because despite what you think, Jeremy did not know that anybody had been shot by that stage. All he knew, was that his father had called him around 3.25am, to tell him that "Sheila", or "She has" got the gun, and to come quickly...
You are just being a dishonest apologist. Jeremy never claimed he called Witham and then Julie and then Chelmsford. He told the initial responders he called Witham, then Chelmsford and finally Julie. Later he dropped the claim he called Witham and simply claimed he called Chelmsford then Julie. He lied he called Julie first then he tried calling the police. In no account did Julie claim Jeremy told her he tried to call the police but got no response from the so decided to call her so she doesn't support your revisionist account either you simply made it up. Julie is unsure of the exact time but 2 roommates who looked at their clocks said it was around 3AM. It is highly suspicious to call Julie period but especially before police and it appears he called her before the time he made up receiving a call from Nevill even!
The opinion of an apologist doesn't matter at all in assessing whether an objective person would find something suspicious. The fact of the matter is that someone receiving the call he claimed to have received either would have immediately rushed over as Nevill desired or would have called 999. That is what a normal person receiving such a distress call would do. Wasting time to call Julie is not what a normal person would do. Looking up numbers of stations is not what a normal person would do and if someone did make the stupid choice of looking up stations in the middle of the night after getting no response and realizing the phones were unmanned a person possessing average intelligence would certainly at that point dial 999 if there were actually an emergency to report. Little kids know to dial 999 and have done so saving the lives of adults in distress.[/quote]
"and after a while looked up police numbers casually that is SUSPICIOUS. "
No, he didn't behave casually. His girlfriend told Jeremy to go back to bed, but Jeremy phoned the police at 3.36am to report to them what he had been told by his father earlier. Jeremy did nothing wrong, in the sequence with which he went about his business in this matter, his behaviour was normal if there is such a thing as being normal in these circumstances...
Calling his girlfriend before police is something he denied doing, the fact he lied about the sequence says a lot. He recognized that if he were worried he would have immediately called police so he lied and said he immediately called police though he actually phoned Julie before the police. So he did something suspicious and LIED to pretend he didn't do such suspicious thing and thus did something even more suspicious. So his full story is Nevill called at 3:10 but the call was disconnected, he tried to call back but could not get through so got worried and called police then called Julie. You make things worse by claiming he didn't call police until 3:36. So you say he waited 26 minutes to call Chelmsford. Only a guilty person would wait that long. Waiting that long demonstrates no concern at all for his loved ones. During Cross examination of West, Jeremy's trial lawyers went out of their way to stress that 3:26 is when West phoned Bonnett and thus Jeremy called West prior to this to MINIMIZE the gap in time between when Jeremy claims Nevill phoned him and he phoned police. You stupidly want to enlarge the time. It is already suspicious enough to wait until after 3:20 to call police if he got the call at 3:10 but you want to enlarge the gap and do so saying the gap makes no difference it is not suspicious. That is not how an objective intelligent person looks at it which is why the trial defense tried to minimize the gap between allegedly receiving Nevill's call and calling police. An ordinary person receiving a distress call form their family about a crazy person running around with a gun would either call 999 right away or go over to try to help. They would not wake their boyfriend/girlfriend and then do nothing for a while and finally casually look up police station numbers. Jeremy well understood a rational person would call police right away so he lied and claimed that is what he did.
"He didn't knock on the door try to look in the windows or try to get the police to do these things- that is SUSPICIOUS"
Come off it, why would Jeremy go and knock on the door when he was there with the police who took control of the incident after their arrival there at 3.48am. No, it was not suspicious, the police were in control of the incident, not Jeremy.
When police don't act fast enough then concerned family prod them to act or try to act on their own and have to have police stop them from doing so. Jeremy didn't do any of the things a concerned family member would have done in the circumstances. He spent his time lying to police priming them with BS about Sheila being proficient with weapons so that they were scared to do anything themselves and needed to call armed officers and he did this so that when they finally went inside they would believe she did it.
"He was very calm and not worried- that is SUSPICIOUS given his claims"
why should he be worried, he didn't know anything had happened to anyone inside the farmhouse by that stage, and neither did the police. No, there is nothing suspicious in his behaviour or demeanure at that time of the proceedings. He was there with the police, and they were in control of the incident, not him. He hadn't made any claims of significance by that stage.
Your apologist efforts just make you look foolish. He claimed:
1) That Nevill was so panicked that he woke Jeremy up in the middle of the night telling him to come over to help disarm Sheila because she went crazy and grabbed the gun
2) He claimed he left the gun, its loaded magazine and extra bullets on the kitchen table.
3) He claimed the phone conversation got disconnected and he tried to phone back but could not get through so was worried
4) He claimed the house was full of firearms more than 1000 rounds of ammunition and that SHeial was capable of using them all
These are A LOT of claims. He called the police because supposedly he was concerned for their safety and yet at the scene he exhibited zero concern for their safety. Instead of asking police to knock on the door and try to look inside to see what was going on he discouraged them from doing so. The police even asked if Jeremy could potentially be able to calm Sheila down and thus it would be worth it having him knock on the door and Jeremy responded that it would make matters worse because Sheila didn't like him and he didn't like her! So they decided not to approach the house and try to knock or to look into the windows they decided to do NOTHING and call for armed personnel to come. Jeremy didn't plead with them to do something he was content talking to them about cars and guy stuff as the armed personnel were summoned.
"He lied about Sheila firing all weapons in the house and being competent in their use- that is SUSPICIOUS."
Stpo being silly, he made no such claims at that stage that Sheila had fired all the shots. Get your facts right. Since, upon having the news broken to him that all his family were dead inside the farmhouse, Jeremy complained to PS Saxby that the men who had gone into the farmhouse had shot them all upon entry... A child could have fired that Anshuzt rifle, stop exaggerating everything... No, its not suspicious, it is a fact that a child could easily fire a loaded rifle of that type. Go and look on You Tube, there is ample evidence to support what I am saying.
I have my facts straight. You are playing worthless games to try to deflect attention from my point and try to twist and pretend I made a different point because you have no ability to deal with my actual point.
My point was that Jeremy LIED to the police at the scene telling them that Sheila had fired all weapons in the house and was proficient with all of them so the police were in great danger and even claimed he trained her to use the Anschutz. Later when he was questioned by the detectives he told the detectives the complete opposite. He told the detectives he had not known her to ever fire a firearm. He lied to those at the scene about her proficiency with firearms that is SUSPICIOUS.
I didn't say anything about him telling police that shots had been fired you made up such babble as a strawman because my point is a very damaging one. As for you dribble about children using the Anschutz those children were taught how to fire the weapon and we given weapons already loaded and charged OR taught how to load them and how to chamber the first round manually. There are no videos of children or even adults who were handed an Anschutz 525 for the first time though they never used a semi-auto before and being told to figure out how to remove the magazine and how to load and operate it with no assistance from anyone. You inadvertently raised another problem. Sheila never used a semi auto period let alone the Anschutz and would not have had a clue that she needed to chamber the first round manually let alone how to do so and would not have known how to release the magazine work the safety etc either. This is why Jeremy lied and told those at the scene she had been taught how to operate it.
"He lied about leaving the gun and bullets int he kitchen that is SUSPICIOUS"
No, he didn't. This lie has come about because there were two rooms described inside the farmhouse, one was the main kitchen, and the other the back kitchen. there was a wooden bench which Jeremy has described as the settle in some instances, and as a table on other occasions. this bench is just inside the back door, beyond the internal main kitchen door, but in the general area of the back kitchen, not in the downstairs office. His case was that he placed the rifle there. No, its not, not when you know the true facts.
The facts are that he LIED about taking it out to shoot rabbits and leaving it in the kitchen. He made up the tale in order to pretend that there was a gun, loaded magazine and extra bullet supply for Sheila to find and use because she would not have gone to the closet to get the gun herself. He also made up the lie that he found it with the scope and moderator unattached because the gun could not be put away with them attached. The truth is that the scope was always attached until he removed it in anticipation of the murders because the scope would inhibit accurate shooting at close quarters. The moderator he left attached and used then removed it after and put it in the closet but made up the story about leaving it out without the moderator attached so police would not look for it and it worked. He staged 30 bullets in the kitchen after the murders and unfortunately for him this was too many for his lie to be true thus giving away he staged them later. You made up the fairytale that the gun was already loaded when he got it out but in all his statements he insisted the gun was empty when he got it and it was routinely stored empty so it would not be credible it had been put away loaded. If the gun had bullets in it he would have simply rushed outside with it because he said he was in a rush to get to the rabbits before they got away.
His story was never the same about how he encountered these rabbits. He claimed he heard them from the kitchen at one point, claimed he saw them from the kitchen but later put together a better lie and said he had gone outside to check on the barn and that is when he saw them. He reiterate din this account that the gun was empty when he found it:
So spare us the nonsense you make up about the gun already being loaded when Jeremy picked it up he claimed at all times including during the trial that it was empty because if it had bullets in it he would have rushed outside with it not taken bullets and the magazine to the kitchen to load.
"He didn't call Pam or any of the other relatives to tell them there was trouble so they could come to be with him which would give him comfort but also because they had a right to know That is SUSPICIOUS"
Why should he, he distrusted them all..Why should he, if he didn't even know that anyone had been shot until much later, and once he found out from PS Saxby, it wasn't long before those you have named came to Jeremys cottage to provide that comfort and support...Well, they did get to know, they got to know not too long after Jeremy himself was told the awful news... Not at all suspicious to me, I'm afraid.
It's highly suspicious to someone rational and objective. You make a good case for why his calling Julie at 3AM was so suspicious. Before he supposedly knew whether anything was actually wrong for sure he woke up Julie and her roommates. Why would he call her when he wasn't sure if anything was wrong? A normal person would go SEE if anything is wrong or call police to have them go check it out. Calling Julie made no sense, Julie didn't even care about his family anyway.
In contrast AP and his sister DID care about Nevill and Pam and her kids did care about June yet none of them were alerted. At 6AM when Jeremy called Julie AGAIN he was told by police that things didn't look good because no one was responding inside the house. That meant either they were being held hostage, to injured to respond or they were dead. Certainly Pam and the other relatives had a right to know this and to be there to find out what happens. He didn't alert any of them. He called Julie to tell her not to go to work because he would need her to speak to police and confirm he called her claiming he received a distress call so that she could bolster his bogus alibi.
"When you add all the evidence in with these suspicious things you see why the suspicious things were done."
Your explanation is nonsense, since there is nothing at all suspicious in anything you are saying here...
Your claim there is nothing suspicious is the nonsense. rational objective people say otherwise.
