Police log contents, and position of bodies in photographs don't add up, CRIKEY.

[mike tesko]

Then Of course, we have another ballistic anomaly, we have comparison tests between test fired control bullets and ammunition belonging to the batch of crime scene ammunition, an exercise which was carried out over several dates between 12th and the 19th September 1985. Now, what is odd about this, is that many of these comparison tests were carried out before the official test fire of the anshuzt rifle, control ammunition and a silencer, which incidentally did not get under way until 20th September 1985,  terminating as late as 2nd October 1985...

[scipio_usmc]

Yes, there is evidence in the file confirming that Crooky did do everything I am saying he did, before silencer DB/1 (23) was sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985. Others who are following in my footsteps will be able to gather all the necessary proof require to force the court of appeal to quash these convictions, on the grounds that the silencer, blood and paint evidence is unreliable. Another big mistake police have made, is that they have transformed all these different silencers, into one. It has been a very interesting exercise to argue that there was all these different parker hale silencers, sent to the lab' on different occasions, and you arguing that all these different silencers were one and the same. And now, your argument has come back to bite your backside, because of the silencer Crooky dismantled, rebuilt, and screwed onto the barrel of the gun, which had no blood upon it, or inside it, as of 28th / 29th August . If that is right, and as I say, I know it is right, then prey advise where all the blood then turned up upon the 8 baffle plates from, within 13 days, of none at all being present?

I don't accept that Crooky would not necessarily have ignored the presence of any blood there, if there had in fact been any blood there. This then brings me onto where the blood that was used to sanitize the 8 baffles after 28th / 29th August 1985, originated from? The most obvious solution has to be these 3rd samples of blood taken from the 5 victims during autopsy. I do not accept that these samples were simply destroyed, since the sudden materialisation of all this blood inside the silencer on the aforementioned 8 baffles requires a source from whence the blood originated...

You just keep repeating the same allegations and claiming the file contains proof but you don't produce any such proof we are just supposed to accept your word such proof exists.  It doesn't work that way and given how all your past claims have ended up falling apart there is no reason to believe this issue will be any different.

[mike tesko]

You just keep repeating the same allegations and claiming the file contains proof but you don't produce any such proof we are just supposed to accept your word such proof exists.  It doesn't work that way and given how all your past claims have ended up falling apart there is no reason to believe this issue will be any different.

First of all, you should cease from spreading your lies that everything I have said has been proved wrong, or whatever. The fact is, you have "NOT" proved or showed that anything I have ever said was wrong, or a lie. It's all in your head. If anything, and if the truth be known, you have been digging yourself into a deep hole, that you have fallen into. You are a victim of your own nonsense and your own lies.  Despite your continual claims that everybody but you is a liar and talking nonsense, I should repeat remind you that I have got access to 50,000 documents, and records, which can be relied upon to support everything I have ever spoken about. What have you got, only what I have permitted you to see thus far. Now, if documents,  photographs and records exist in the file, to support all my claims irrespective of whether or not, some of the things I have talked about city ntradict what I have said previously, or vice versa, how can anybody in their right mind call me a liar?

I am not the liar you are wrongly making me out to be, on the contrary I am telling the truth...

[Reader]

. . . having been seen to be driving a a snail's pace!!!

By whom? None of the officers in the car that overtook his on the way to WHF said that he was driving at a snail's pace. For example, Ps Bews stated that Jeremy was doing about 30 mph in his statement dated 16 August 1985, as did Pc Myall in his statement dated 15 August 1985. Have you read their statements?

[Jane]

By whom? None of the officers in the car that overtook his on the way to WHF said that he was driving at a snail's pace. For example, Ps Bews stated that Jeremy was doing about 30 mph in his statement dated 16 August 1985, as did Pc Myall in his statement dated 15 August 1985. Have you read their statements?

"Snail's pace" = Figure of speech. Jeremy's speed was relative to other traffic at the time ie a police car travelling at high speed. had it been moving slowly, Jeremy would have been seen as driving fast.

[scipio_usmc]

By whom? None of the officers in the car that overtook his on the way to WHF said that he was driving at a snail's pace. For example, Ps Bews stated that Jeremy was doing about 30 mph in his statement dated 16 August 1985, as did Pc Myall in his statement dated 15 August 1985. Have you read their statements?

By the police who said they were able to overtake him even though he had a sizable lead on them and even though he was only a mile from WHF at the time they passed his vehicle he took a long time to arrive and finally reach them.  At trial the defense suggested he pulled over to put on a jacket because he was cold and this is why he arrived later than they expected. 

The appeal decision even noted such:

"PS Bews, PC Myall and PC Saxby drove from Witham Police Station passing the appellant in his car on their way to the farm. He was travelling at a speed very much slower than their vehicle. Ann Eaton's evidence was that the appellant was normally "a very, very fast driver"."

The clear implication is he was not driving fast like he usually did because he wanted police to arrive first.   and see him arrive so they would think it takes him longer to travel to and from WHF than it truly does and to dissuade them from thinking he had been there all along.

[Reader]

"Snail's pace" = Figure of speech.

A phrase chosen to suggest that Jeremy was deliberately driving slowly. At what speed would you expect him to travel at night along a country road, knowing that a police car moving at high speed is going to overtake him after a few seconds?

[scipio_usmc]

A phrase chosen to suggest that Jeremy was deliberately driving slowly. At what speed would you expect him to travel at night along a country road, knowing that a police car moving at high speed is going to overtake him after a few seconds?

Jeremy should have been at WHF before police.  He was already dressed before he even called the police and got off the phone with them by 3:40.  He drove slowly on purpose and drove even slower after police passed him and gave the excuse he parked to put on a jacket because he was cold.  You try making excuses all the time for Jeremy and it just demonstrates bias nothing more when you do such.  Even the defense recognized the problem so asserted Jeremy parked to put on a jacket. To ignore a problem even the defense recognized says volumes.

[lookout]

C'mon,how would it have looked if Jeremy had been there before the police ?
It would then have been said that he got there well before them to make sure everyone was dead and also that he hadn't left his " calling card ",or anything that would significantly nail him on the spot.

[Jane]

C'mon,how would it have looked if Jeremy had been there before the police ?
It would then have been said that he got there well before them to make sure everyone was dead and also that he hadn't left his " calling card ",or anything that would significantly nail him on the spot.

If Jeremy was innocent why on EARTH would he have been concerned about how it looked if he got there first? This was an emergency, for God's sake. His father had sounded "panicked" -had asked him to come over quickly.

[scipio_usmc]

C'mon,how would it have looked if Jeremy had been there before the police ?
It would then have been said that he got there well before them to make sure everyone was dead and also that he hadn't left his " calling card ",or anything that would significantly nail him on the spot.

That is the kind of thought a guilty person would engage in.  An innocent person would not be considering how things look to police and deciding how slow to drive they would just rush over and most likely bang on the door before police arrived or at least try spying inside the windows.

[lookout]

That is the kind of thought a guilty person would engage in.  An innocent person would not be considering how things look to police and deciding how slow to drive they would just rush over and most likely bang on the door before police arrived or at least try spying inside the windows.

Think what you like. If he'd have hurtled there he'd have been guilty ( too eager )
Because he was slow,he was accused,so what was he to have done,shown them all what it was like going at bicycle speed ?

My personal thoughts on this are that he was scared.Not because he carried out the murders because he hadn't. He was scared of the unknown and what was happening inside. Disbelief made him initially blame the police.

[Reader]

By the police who said they were able to overtake him even though he had a sizable lead on them

None of the officers used the wording "even though he had a sizable lead on them", so that's something you made up. Jeremy and the police didn't start their journeys at the same time. The police logs indicate the police left for WHF about 6 minutes before Jeremy left home (assuming that Jeremy left at roughly 3:41, a time consistent with a 3:42 entry in Pc West's log for a telephone line check that occurred shortly after Jeremy's call ended), which is consistent with them overtaking Jeremy where and when they did, as the police had further to travel and would have needed up to about 14 minutes, depending on their speed.

We don't need those time estimates, though, as all three officers in the police car estimated Jeremy's speed: two estimated it as about 30 mph, and one estimated it as not more than 30 mph. None of those officers had any reason to make an accurate mental note of how long Jeremy took to drive his final mile, but they estimated that it took him 3 to 4 minutes, which is only slightly longer than the 2 minutes it would have taken him at 30 mph.

The police were presumably travelling as fast as they safely could, so it's hardly surprising that Jeremy was travelling considerably slower - they weren't racing against each other, and reducing speed is a natural reaction to noticing that a police car is about to pass you at high speed.

Ann Eaton may well have known that Jeremy was normally "a very, very fast driver", but I doubt that she had any experience of being driven by Jeremy at around 4am. The circumstances were not "normal". There is no clear implication that Jeremy was driving unduly slowly for some special reason of his own.

Jeremy . . .  gave the excuse he parked to put on a jacket because he was cold.

The Appeal Court judgement makes no mention of this, so how do you know? The judgment states "The appellant's car arrived at the farmhouse 1-2 minutes after the police vehicle." It's unclear why it says this, as the relevant officers' statements say 3 to 4 minutes.

[Jane]

Think what you like. If he'd have hurtled there he'd have been guilty ( too eager )
Because he was slow,he was accused,so what was he to have done,shown them all what it was like going at bicycle speed ?

My personal thoughts on this are that he was scared.Not because he carried out the murders because he hadn't. He was scared of the unknown and what was happening inside. Disbelief made him initially blame the police.

OK, Lookout, what would have been your thoughts? You're in a police car going to an emergency shout and you pass a car in no hurry to get anywhere and shows no sign of hitting the accelerator after you pass. You arrive at the scene and minutes after this same car appears, its' occupant being the son of the family where the emergency. My first thought had ALREADY been that this person was in no hurry to get where they were going. WHY would I change my mind? Had he been speeding, under the circumstances, I'd have fully understood why. It would have seemed far more natural to me that he'd want to assist his parents by being there asap.

There is something which has been bugging me. I find it confusing for someone who is clearly suspicious by nature -and has admitted to being so- why you have NEVER been suspicious of anything regarding Jeremy.

[lookout]

OK, Lookout, what would have been your thoughts? You're in a police car going to an emergency shout and you pass a car in no hurry to get anywhere and shows no sign of hitting the accelerator after you pass. You arrive at the scene and minutes after this same car appears, its' occupant being the son of the family where the emergency. My first thought had ALREADY been that this person was in no hurry to get where they were going. WHY would I change my mind? Had he been speeding, under the circumstances, I'd have fully understood why. It would have seemed far more natural to me that he'd want to assist his parents by being there asap.

Okay,so Jeremy was known for putting his foot down normally. A show off. Always something lacking when a young man puts speed before anything else,but that's another theory/story. Because these young men feel the need for speed doesn't necessarily mean that their ordinary lives revolve around speed.In other words it was probably the only time that Jeremy put a spurt on when he was behind the wheel of a car,other than that he probably lounged around if he wasn't working,too idle to scratch himself.
However,being confronted about the unknown on the 7th of August,he probably had all kinds of things going through his mind,hence his reason for " crawling " along,plus,he didn't want to be seen overtaking a police car. If he'd bombed along at his normal speed it would have been wrong,in his mind,because as far as he was concerned at that point,he had no idea what had gone on. Nobody did,until hours later.

At the mention of his sister brandishing a gun,I don't think I'd have been in a hurry to have possibly been shot either. Jeremy was scared . He may have had visions of a rifle poking out of an open window,we don't know. He was being cautious and probably felt safe with the police around.
Even EP didn't make an attempt to barge along. In fact,what did they do for over 3 hours anyway ?
If Jeremy had gone like the clappers,shouting up at the farmhouse or through the letter box,he'd definitely have been shot,of that there's no doubt.
Even if Neville had phoned,saying that Sheila was shooting someone upstairs,Jeremy would only have gone so far.As it was,EP told him to hide behind a wall etc., so there was nothing he could have done.

Going as slow as he did is certainly not a punishable offence.Better to be a live coward than a dead hero.