Michael Fielder Proven liar

[Steve_uk]

a lot of things were nothing to do with the murders but he seemed  to make it his business to know about them.

the eatons seemed to know the familys affairs better than the family did but they dident know anything about this.

As Jane said the photographs were kept at Moreshead Mansions, which Jeremy took possession of immediately after the murders. It's possible June had snooped around the flat at one time (she had a key and seemed to come and go as she pleased) and taken some back to White House Farm as a hold against her daughter, or they may well have been the photographs Colin had taken of her sunbathing in the nude in a cornfield in 1978, which again ended up in June's possession.

In either case there's no reason for the Eatons to know about their existence.

[lookout]

Of course they did - it was in the newspaper! 

They certainly kept that one quiet if they'd read/seen it then.

[nugnug]

Of course they did - it was in the newspaper! 

but before then they knew nothing about the existence of such photos.

[nugnug]

As Jane said the photographs were kept at Moreshead Mansions, which Jeremy took possession of immediately after the murders. It's possible June had snooped around the flat at one time (she had a key and seemed to come and go as she pleased) and taken some back to White House Farm as a hold against her daughter, or they may well have been the photographs Colin had taken of her sunbathing in the nude in a cornfield in 1978, which again ended up in June's possession.

In either case there's no reason for the Eatons to know about their existence.

well they knew about everything else.

if june had that then those pictures would of been found at after the murders wouldent they.

clearly she hadent.

[gringo]

As Jane said the photographs were kept at Moreshead Mansions, which Jeremy took possession of immediately after the murders. It's possible June had snooped around the flat at one time (she had a key and seemed to come and go as she pleased) and taken some back to White House Farm as a hold against her daughter, or they may well have been the photographs Colin had taken of her sunbathing in the nude in a cornfield in 1978, which again ended up in June's possession.

In either case there's no reason for the Eatons to know about their existence.

and what would he have done with them if he had.

its never been properly explianed how these photos would of come in to jeremys possen in the first place or why for all the years they existed nobody else ever saw them other than him.

   I think Steve is correct here, nugs.
    It seems that the pictures allegedly at Jeremy's cottage were ones that June had found after snooping around at Sheila's, at least according to Colin.
    Having read Colin's differing accounts of this episode I am not convinced that Colin's recollections are reliable.
    The relevant excerpts from Colin's book are on page 22 of this thread and below is the link to Colin's statements of 7/8/85, 11/09/85 and 24/09/85.
   
       http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1560.0.html

[nugnug]

well that poses a diffrent if they were at whf were did they go.

becouse they were not found after the murders.

[gringo]

    I am of the opinion that the phone call to Colin from DB contained rather more than we are told. Colin tells how he had never received such a "disturbing and evasive telephone call in my life".
    From reading Colin's statements it is clear that he believed Sheila to be guilty for a considerable time after the murders. From his statement of 11/09/85 it is apparent that he still thought Sheila had killed everyone at this time. He believes at this point that the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy.
     It is only by the time of his statement of 24/09/85 and after the Fielder story that Colin appears to suspect Jeremy.
     I believe that during the "disturbing and evasive" call from DB, Colin probably let slip the existence of the photographs. The letter written to Jeremy by Colin whilst on holiday makes little sense in the context of Colin's statements. No arrangement was made to collect them and Colin is apparently unconcerned enough to go on holiday for two weeks the day after recovering one set but making no arrangement to collect the others.  Quite why Colin believes that he, Sheila's ex husband, should be responsible for the slides is unexplained. The slides in question are also ones that Colin himself took of Sheila some years earlier in the WHF fields when she was 18?
     By the time of his book, Colin had arranged to collect the slides the next day before going on holiday again.
     Colin's accounts are, in my view, unreliable and increasingly, albeit understandably, self serving.
     It is my belief that his statements of 7/8/85 and 11/9/85 are the most accurate of his accounts, before he was influenced by others with vested interests.

[Caroline]

   I think Steve is correct here, nugs.
    It seems that the pictures allegedly at Jeremy's cottage were ones that June had found after snooping around at Sheila's, at least according to Colin.
    Having read Colin's differing accounts of this episode I am not convinced that Colin's recollections are reliable.
    The relevant excerpts from Colin's book are on page 22 of this thread and below is the link to Colin's statements of 7/8/85, 11/09/85 and 24/09/85.
   
       http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1560.0.html

Sorry?  What differing accounts? The statements are in relation to questions asked. This PROVES the incident occurred and Jeremy tried to sell the prints! He confirms in his statement that Jeremy used EXACTLY the same words to describe the pictures and was printed in The Sun. His statement was written 7 days after the article appeared in The Sun bout you're not sure if his recollections are accurate? 

[lookout]

    I am of the opinion that the phone call to Colin from DB contained rather more than we are told. Colin tells how he had never received such a "disturbing and evasive telephone call in my life".
    From reading Colin's statements it is clear that he believed Sheila to be guilty for a considerable time after the murders. From his statement of 11/09/85 it is apparent that he still thought Sheila had killed everyone at this time. He believes at this point that the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy.
     It is only by the time of his statement of 24/09/85 and after the Fielder story that Colin appears to suspect Jeremy.
     I believe that during the "disturbing and evasive" call from DB, Colin probably let slip the existence of the photographs. The letter written to Jeremy by Colin whilst on holiday makes little sense in the context of Colin's statements. No arrangement was made to collect them and Colin is apparently unconcerned enough to go on holiday for two weeks the day after recovering one set but making no arrangement to collect the others.  Quite why Colin believes that he, Sheila's ex husband, should be responsible for the slides is unexplained. The slides in question are also ones that Colin himself took of Sheila some years earlier in the WHF fields when she was 18?
     By the time of his book, Colin had arranged to collect the slides the next day before going on holiday again.
     Colin's accounts are, in my view, unreliable and increasingly, albeit understandably, self serving.
     It is my belief that his statements of 7/8/85 and 11/9/85 are the most accurate of his accounts, before he was influenced by others with vested interests.

I couldn't agree more.

[lookout]

Colin had worked out what the relatives were and also what S.Jones was about. No love lost between those mentioned. Though it shows how easy it is to be swayed by the media if you're that way inclined.

[nugnug]

    I am of the opinion that the phone call to Colin from DB contained rather more than we are told. Colin tells how he had never received such a "disturbing and evasive telephone call in my life".
    From reading Colin's statements it is clear that he believed Sheila to be guilty for a considerable time after the murders. From his statement of 11/09/85 it is apparent that he still thought Sheila had killed everyone at this time. He believes at this point that the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy.
     It is only by the time of his statement of 24/09/85 and after the Fielder story that Colin appears to suspect Jeremy.
     I believe that during the "disturbing and evasive" call from DB, Colin probably let slip the existence of the photographs. The letter written to Jeremy by Colin whilst on holiday makes little sense in the context of Colin's statements. No arrangement was made to collect them and Colin is apparently unconcerned enough to go on holiday for two weeks the day after recovering one set but making no arrangement to collect the others.  Quite why Colin believes that he, Sheila's ex husband, should be responsible for the slides is unexplained. The slides in question are also ones that Colin himself took of Sheila some years earlier in the WHF fields when she was 18?
     By the time of his book, Colin had arranged to collect the slides the next day before going on holiday again.
     Colin's accounts are, in my view, unreliable and increasingly, albeit understandably, self serving.
     It is my belief that his statements of 7/8/85 and 11/9/85 are the most accurate of his accounts, before he was influenced by others with vested interests.

also theres the qustion of why jb would of handed over photos that could of been printed and then tried to sell photos that couldent of been.

[Caroline]

also theres the qustion of why jb would of handed over photos that could of been printed and then tried to sell photos that couldent of been.

Because he didn't know!

[nugnug]

Because he didn't know!

what he dident know that a national newpaper wasnt allowed to print hardcore porn pictures he would have to be the only person in the country who dident.

and also dident know that the sun would buy topless photos like the ones he gave to colin he would have to be the only person in the country who dident know that ethere.

[lookout]

Well according to many JB was greedy and had his eye to business ? Obviously not !

[Jane]

Well according to many JB was greedy and had his eye to business ? Obviously not !

He was certainly greedy but 'business' -of the grafting sort- didn't seem to be what he had in mind. Actually, what WAS he qualified to do? 24 years old. A handful of menial jobs and a bit of farm labouring under his belt aren't exactly qualifications for anything.