Michael Fielder Proven liar

[Caroline]

So what do you think that a " forgotten Birthday cake " for Sutcliffe's 69th has got to do with anything ?
Is that news ?
On the contrary,there's more than enough to say about Jeremy,given an " opener ".

Well, lets get them both in the news, Jeremy could bake him a cake? Win, win! 

[Caroline]

      Much has been of the allegations made by Michael Fielder. Those who believe Jeremy Bamber innocent largely disbelieve Fielder's story on the grounds that he plied his trade for such a disreputable rag and his story does not really appear credible and in fact bears an uncanny resemblance to the type of stories that appeared in the Sun that were nothing more than propaganda pieces on behalf of those in authority.
      Those who believe Bamber guilty tend to believe Fielder. I have said before that even if I believed him guilty that this story is so unbelievable and it's source so unreliable that I would dismiss it anyway.
      Proponents of Bamber's guilt claim that just because Fielder worked for the Sun that it doesn't prove that he is a liar and his willingness to give a witness statement and to appear on a trashy documentary repeating his story somehow supports his claims.
      After a little research on Fielder it appears that guilty supporters ought now to perhaps think twice before defending him.
      The following is an example of Fielder's "journalism" or what more objective observers would describe as propagandising for those in authority.
     On 6th March 1988 three IRA members were killed by a SAS squad in Gibraltar. The killings caused much noise and controversy at the time and were reported on with the usual restraint that you expect from the tabloid press. MOD and British Government press briefings were reported uncritically by most of the media without question claiming the men were armed and were in possession of a 500lb bomb. A documentary was aired two months after the killings called "Death on the Rock" which cast doubt on the official claims.
     The following is lifted verbatim from "Murder on the Rock".
     "Of all the civilian witnesses to the Gibraltar murders, Carmen Proetta's evidence was potentially some of the most damning for the government.
  Carmen Proetta told Death on the Rock that she had seen McCann and Farrell shot without warning with their hands in the air. As soon as her evidence became publicly known she was subjected to a campaign of threats and a barrage of press lies. The pressure on her was so enormous, that despite being one of the most strongly determined of the witnesses to speak out, she told the inquest:
  "Let me tell you one thing, sir, if this happened again I would not be here to give evidence"
  The day after Death on the Rock was broadcast, her husband received a phone call from a man claiming to be a policeman. He told him that the family's lives would be "made a misery". The Proetta children also received threats.
  But it was left to the British press to apply the real pressure. For no other reason than that she had inconvenient testimony, the press, particularly the Murdoch owned press, viciously attacked her. The Sunday Times launched a series of articles purporting to show that her story was untrue and saying that other witnesses had called her testimony ridiculous. This, like virtually every other word published by the Sunday Times about Gibraltar, was a pack of lies.
  The Sun, however, went even further. Two days after Death on the Rock was broadcast they printed a front page with a picture of  Carmen Proetta headlined "Tart of Gib". It said in bold letters: "Sun discovers shock truth about IRA witness Carmen... she's an ex prostitute, runs an escort agency and is married to a sleazy drug peddler". As well as suddenly making Carmen an "IRA" witness they also said that both she and her husband were anti British.
  As is normal the Sun had concocted a story based on distortions and outright lies. For example, the escort agency was a tourist agency and Proetta's only connection was that she lent her name as a director in order that the company could comply with Spanish law.....
  In December 1988 Mrs Proetta was awarded £50,000 damages against the Sun. However this came too late to undo the damage done to her evidence at the inquest. Not only was she put under enormous pressure but her testimony, when it finally came at the inquest, must have been devalued in the eyes of the jury. The British press, remembering the "Tart of Gib" headline were more interested in her split skirt than her evidence.
   The Sun reporter who wrote the "Tart of Gib" story was none other than Michael Fielding.
   It is now established that Fielder is a liar who worked for a newspaper that peddled lies on behalf of the authorities and that he in fact peddled those lies on their behalf.
   We are then expected to believe that Jeremy Bamber having killed all of his family then attempted to sell nude/pornographic pictures of his dead sister to a reporter who worked for a news organisation that routinely colluded with the police to pervert the course of justice all on the say so of a proven liar and professional smearer who worked for a newspaper that routinely lies on behalf of those in power.
  The defence that Fielder has never been shown to be a liar is no longer valid. He has knowingly lied about and smeared innocent people on behalf of powerful vested interests and this has been established by the successful libel action of Carmen Proetta. The paper that he worked for routinely lie on behalf of the police and powerful interests.
  Fielder's word and that of the Sun are both worth less than nothing and those who believe the Fielder allegations do so because they believe it helps their cause rather than based on an honest and objective appraisal of what is known.
  Believing Fielder flies in the face of reason. There are more sleaze and lies that he is involved in but I am sure that posters can discover this for themselves.

And? Is Peter Gruner (journo at the Evening Standard at the time) also a liar? He interviewed Bamber after The Sun article, Bamber didn't deny trying to sell the pictures, just brushed it off but admitted he wanted £100,000.00 for his story. Fielder told the same story. He did try to sell the pictures, he mentioned selling his story to both journalists and used the same words as he'd used to Colin to describe the them. It really is futile to deny that he didn't 

[nugnug]

And? Is Peter Gruner (journo at the Evening Standard at the time) also a liar? He interviewed Bamber after The Sun article, Bamber didn't deny trying to sell the pictures, just brushed it off but admitted he wanted £100,000.00 for his story. Fielder told the same story. He did try to sell the pictures, he mentioned selling his story to both journalists and used the same words as he'd used to Colin to describe the them. It really is futile to deny that he didn't 

gunner just repeated said gunner was not there.

[Caroline]

gunner just repeated said gunner was not there.

NO! He interviewed Jeremy. He asked him about the story and Jeremy DIDN'T deny it! Wish you people would get the story right! Part of the problem is that you rely on what people have said here. Like posting Gingo's post as proof. Do some research yourself!

[nugnug]

  Nor did I until I read up on it today nugs. Just google fielder tart of gib and you get a few links.

here she is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Proetta

[Caroline]

here she is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Proetta

Read it before - and?

[nugnug]

Read it before - and?

and its not the first feilder has made shit up.

[Caroline]

and its not the first feilder has made shit up.

Maybe not, he didn't make Bamber trying to sell pics of his dead sister up - too many other corroborations!

[nugnug]

Maybe not, he didn't make Bamber trying to sell pics of his dead sister up - too many other corroborations!

how can there be corbaration there was only 3 people there one of them is person he acuses the other 1 has not said anything since moving back to newzealand.

[Caroline]

how can there be corbaration there was only 3 people there one of them is person he acuses the other 1 has not said anything since moving back to newzealand.

Because he used the SAME words as he said to Colin and he didn't deny it to the other reporter and also mentioned he wanted to see his life story. I can't explain it any simpler than that! If Fielder is lying, HOW did he manage to print the exact same words as Fielder had used to Colin and HOW did Fielder know he wanted to also sell his life story? This is like pulling teeth!

[Steve_uk]

The bottom line is he tried to sell nude photographs of his dead sister. This in itself does not prove his guilt but is indicative of the materialistic and callous nature of the man we are discussing. I sometimes think the people who defend him on this issue are the ones who also fall for the story that nothing was amiss at the farmhouse when this tragedy occurred out of the blue, and that Jeremy so loved his parents..

[lookout]

I'll repeat---------not half as bad as what EP did in using his deceased family as props. Disgusting.

[nugnug]

The bottom line is he tried to sell nude photographs of his dead sister. This in itself does not prove his guilt but is indicative of the materialistic and callous nature of the man we are discussing. I sometimes think the people who defend him on this issue are the ones who also fall for the story that nothing was amiss at the farmhouse when this tragedy occurred out of the blue, and that Jeremy so loved his parents..

the bottom line theres no proof he did anything the sort.

just of a man who lies for a living.

[Steve_uk]

the bottom line theres no proof he did anything the sort.

just of a man who lies for a living.

Since he's on record for repeating the allegations the interested parties should sue. It surprises me from studying Brett Collins' character that he has done nothing of the sort. If anything he's hiding away..

[Caroline]

the bottom line theres no proof he did anything the sort.

just of a man who lies for a living.

Yes, there is.