Michael Fielder Proven liar

[Caroline]

it would on weather his book was consitant with his statements i dont think hed have any reason to lie in ethere years later he could of got a couple of things wrong.

He only gave a couple of statements and they are consistent. His suspicions about Jeremy develope over time. At first he believes Sheila guilty but after the twins funeral, Jeremy's haste to sell everything, his trying to sell the photographs and just his general attitude set off warning bells in Colin.

[Caroline]

Oh sorry I forgot no one ever goes off topic .And it is still relevant as they were commented on as an indication of his character - so I think to balance it out is fair.

But that isn't balanced at all - he started off believing it was  Sheila but all that changed after the funeral because of Jeremy's attitude. He even gave a statement to police about the intended selling of the photographs. His suspicion about Jeremy 'developed' and that is clear in his book.

[nugnug]

He only gave a couple of statements and they are consistent. His suspicions about Jeremy develope over time. At first he believes Sheila guilty but after the twins funeral, Jeremy's haste to sell everything, his trying to sell the photographs and just his general attitude set off warning bells in Colin.

there was intresting snippet about the phonecall from david bouflour.

[Caroline]

there was intresting snippet about the phonecall from david bouflour.

Why is that interesting? The family were told by police that Bamber would be arrested, Boutfour said it MIGHT be in the paper? So what? That has nothing to do with the intention of selling pictures to the Sun.

[lookout]

 I can't understand the interest that DB had-------------or can I ?

[Caroline]

I can't understand the interest that DB had-------------or can I ?

You can't understand why DB would be interested in Jeremy being arrested? Seriously? 

[guest154]

You can't understand why DB would be interested in Jeremy being arrested? Seriously? 

Being family, surely he has more interest and right than any of us.

[nugnug]

Why is that interesting? The family were told by police that Bamber would be arrested, Boutfour said it MIGHT be in the paper? So what? That has nothing to do with the intention of selling pictures to the Sun.

he knew there was going to be a story in the sun the next day.

how did he know it would be in the sun.

[lookout]

You can't understand why DB would be interested in Jeremy being arrested? Seriously? 

I didn't quite say that now,did I ? I wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth.

[Caroline]

I didn't quite say that now,did I ? I wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth.

I have no idea what you were on about. 

[Steve_uk]

   No matter what JB did or didn't do would be painted as bad, Nugs. From the extracts and, more importantly, the statements there is no dispute that Colin didn't visit Sheila's flat to collect or do anything until a month after the murders.
    It is somewhat harsh to criticise Jeremy for putting the twins belongings into black bags. What was he supposed to put them in? What are the rules? Should he leave it until Colin decides the time is right? I think he is damned here whatever he does.
   Colin's recollections in the book are coloured by a hindsight that has been influenced by events. His initial reaction was that Sheila "had finally done it" and it is worth noting that his opinion only started to change after JB's arrest and negative stories in the press along with the family plotting and "ganging up on him". It is self evident that at this time that Colin still believed Sheila responsible and that he felt that the family were motivated by financial interests. However it is painted, Colin believed the relatives were attempting to blame Jeremy and this was motivated by money and not a true belief in his guilt.
    His own recollections are also self serving. In his statement Colin talks of his disappointment at not having had the opportunity to buy some of the more valuable antiques from the flat as he and his mother would have been interested in buying some, as they were Antique dealers.
    In the book nothing is mentioned of Colin wishing to have the opportunity to deal in some antiques but it has become all about the heritage.
    As for the pictures, why on earth should Colin be the guardian of personal photos of Sheila. She was his ex wife and he was now in another relationship. Who would think upon finding nude pictures of your dead sister that you should immediately give them to her ex husband? Colin and Sheila's relationship had broken down seemingly irretrievably so why wouldn't the pictures be kept safe at Jeremy's?
    Colin's book, wrote long after the events, may have proved cathartic for him personally but it is not a contemporaneous version and has little value as a source because it is coloured by time and events since.

The comment "she's finally done it" made by Colin was in response to Police informing him of Sheila's death,before he knew the fate of his own sons. I'm perfectly willing to accept Sheila broached the subject of suicide with him in the past as she seems to have done with anybody who sat down for two minutes to listen to her. Colin believing Jeremy was the subject of multiple bereavement is obviously not going to thrust his desires immediately onto him as regards the twins' belongings,but Jeremy(or at least Julie) could have had the foresight to empathise and allow him to grieve with his sons' memories in the flat.

[gringo]

The comment "she's finally done it" made by Colin was in response to Police informing him of Sheila's death,before he knew the fate of his own sons. I'm perfectly willing to accept Sheila broached the subject of suicide with him in the past as she seems to have done with anybody who sat down for two minutes to listen to her. Colin believing Jeremy was the subject of multiple bereavement is obviously not going to thrust his desires immediately onto him as regards the twins' belongings,but Jeremy(or at least Julie) could have had the foresight to empathise and allow him to grieve with his sons' memories in the flat.

  From the perspective of the innocent side Jeremy was also grieving. He had cleaned the flat and gathered the boys belongings and it is harsh in my view to suggest or imply that Jeremy somehow treated the belongings as rubbish. It does seem that he is damned whatever his reaction to everything.

[nugnug]

so jeremy is supposed to have done this while out on bail.

if he did it hes got to be the stupidist man allive hasnt.

[Caroline]

so jeremy is supposed to have done this while out on bail.

if he did it hes got to be the stupidist man allive hasnt.

No he's very clever Nugs, which is why he made so many mistakes and was eventually convicted.

[susan]

so jeremy is supposed to have done this while out on bail.

if he did it hes got to be the stupidist man allive hasnt.

Nugnug do you mean Jeremy was on bail when he met with the Sun reporter did not know that he must have been confident he was going to walk free.