Michael Fielder Proven liar

[Caroline]

  The piece was written or at least published on the 17th September 1985, Jan.
   Jeremy has said that he approached the paper to put his side of the story. This was because of the negative press that he was getting. It is unlikely in the extreme that he would attempt to sell pornographic pictures of his dead sister when the press and the Sun were already printing smear stories about him.
   How convenient for Fielder and the Sun that Jeremy offered them porno pictures and how stupid would Jeremy have to be to imagine that reporters who had been smearing him would stop smearing him and instead buy some nude pictures of his dead sister off him.
  It has no credibility or believability as a story and is almost certainly untrue.

Jeremy has said eh? 

And yet just prior to the story appearing in the Sun, he had mentioned the pictures to Colin so not really convenient at all! It is NOT unlikely in the extreme, it is clearly true, that's just you desperately trying to get the faithful on-board.

What smear stories were printed about Jeremy? Where are these headlines because the only story I have heard of is the one about when he tried to sell porno pics of his dead sister - a story made all the more credible because Colin backs it up. You have zero chance of discrediting it!

[susan]

Jeremy has said eh? 

And yet just prior to the story appearing in the Sun, he had mentioned the pictures to Colin so not really convenient at all! It is NOT unlikely in the extreme, it is clearly true, that's just you desperately trying to get the faithful on-board.

What smear stories were printed about Jeremy? Where are these headlines because the only story I have heard of is the one about when he tried to sell porno pics of his dead sister - a story made all the more credible because Colin backs it up. You have zero chance of discrediting it!

Caroline I don't know anything about the press and Jeremy but just reading Colin's book (again) and he states Sheila was the one getting the bad press after the murders and it continued even after Jeremy was arrested

[Adam]

Caroline I don't know anything about the press and Jeremy but just reading Colin's book (again) and he states Sheila was the one getting the bad press after the murders and it continued even after Jeremy was arrested

When it was first reported, all it said about Jeremy was that 'the brother received a call from his father'.

The story died a death straight afterwards. The press looking for the next story.

The relatives had gone to the police but not the press. The police had in unison said to the media it was murder/suicide.

[nugnug]

Jeremy has said eh? 

And yet just prior to the story appearing in the Sun, he had mentioned the pictures to Colin so not really convenient at all! It is NOT unlikely in the extreme, it is clearly true, that's just you desperately trying to get the faithful on-board.

What smear stories were printed about Jeremy? Where are these headlines because the only story I have heard of is the one about when he tried to sell porno pics of his dead sister - a story made all the more credible because Colin backs it up. You have zero chance of discrediting it!

im sure gringo will enlighten us soon.

[Caroline]

im sure gringo will enlighten us soon.

On what? How to use smoke and mirrors to deflect from any factual negativity towards Bamber? He might enlighten you if you're will to buy into his propaganda and conspiracy theories but I live in the real world and can see that Bamber tried to sell pictures of his dead sister to the Sun.

[Adam]

After his first arrest and release without charge Jeremy was approached by the newspapers for his story.  Naively he went to meet with one after his solicitor advised him against it.  Jeremy was tired of being vilified by the newspapers after his arrest and wanted to tell his story.  Jeremy said that Brett Collins also advised that he should go to meet with the journalist. 

The OS does say 'newspapers approached him'. Although I am not aware of any.

Gringo is saying Jeremy approached The Sun. If he has a good source, then that's it. There is no more debate as no one would believe Bamber would approach The Sun for decent reasons.

[nugnug]

On what? How to use smoke and mirrors to deflect from any factual negativity towards Bamber? He might enlighten you if you're will to buy into his propaganda and conspiracy theories but I live in the real world and can see that Bamber tried to sell pictures of his dead sister to the Sun.

gringo found the fielder stuff that was somthing we had all missed somthing that i certanly missed.

[Caroline]

gringo found the fielder stuff that was somthing we had all missed somthing that i certanly missed.

He'd been searching for weeks to look for something to discredit the story - I find that odd because it doesn't discredit the story at all, gringo just pretends it does to deflect from the fact that the story stands up because of Colin.

[gringo]

He'd been searching for weeks to look for something to discredit the story - I find that odd because it doesn't discredit the story at all, gringo just pretends it does to deflect from the fact that the story stands up because of Colin.

`How can you possibly know how long I had been searching?
   It took me minutes and it massively discredits the story. Colin is not in a position to confirm the story one way or the other.

[Caroline]

`How can you possibly know how long I had been searching?
   It took me minutes and it massively discredits the story. Colin is not in a position to confirm the story one way or the other.

Because I know  . You have been trying to discredit the porn story for weeks and this is the best you can come up with? Colin isn't in a position to confirm the story either way? And yet YOU, who has found an unrelated story thinks they are in a position to refute it. Get real! Bamber tried to sell pictures of his dead sister, it's confirmed by Colin because the same pictures were described to him in the same way. As soon as he read the story he KNEW it was true. Nice try but you're not even in the small cheroot category!! 

[nugnug]

He'd been searching for weeks to look for something to discredit the story - I find that odd because it doesn't discredit the story at all, gringo just pretends it does to deflect from the fact that the story stands up because of Colin.

how would how would you know. long hes been searching.

still somthing everybody else overlooked for years including me

[Caroline]

how would how long hes been searching.

still somthing everybody else overlooked for years including me

It's an educated guess given his obsession with trying to crush all negative opinions about Bamber.

It wasn't overlooked, it has nothing to do with the fact that Bamber tried to sell pictures of his dead sister to the Sun.

[Patti]

  No sifting of any posts is required to know that your argument is that Jeremy tried to sell the pictures and that this is proven by the fact that he allegedly used the same words to describe the pictures to Fielder as he had to Colin. You repeat it parrot fashion every other post so no sifting required, Caroline.
    So how does Jeremy allegedly using the same words to Colin and Fielder prove that he tried to sell porn pictures of his dead sister?, but Colin attributing the same words to Jeremy as the police had supposedly paraphrased on a log prove nothing? Why is one suspicious and not the other? How is it that you are not suspicious of a story by proven serial liars that has no corroboration despite your spurious claim that Colin can in any way prove this story. He can't, he wasn't there and the alleged coincidence of them being described in the same way doesn't prove a thing. It is desperate that all that is left of the argument now is one piece of, at best, circumstantial evidence.
   I can assure you that you amuse me (albeit unintentionally) rather than rattle my cage. Your arguments, such as they are, consist largely of ad hom attacks and misrepresentations of others views rather than actual debate.
 
 

Totally agree Gringo.

To be fair I do think that both Collins and Jeremy did try to sell some pics, but porno and sex aids are added on by Fielder in order to make a story that will sell newspapers...

Anyone in their right mind would not go to the press with such indecent photo's with the expectation that they would be published. Its just not cricket. 

[lookout]

 I don't buy it either.

[Caroline]

Totally agree Gringo.

To be fair I do think that both Collins and Jeremy did try to sell some pics, but porno and sex aids are added on by Fielder in order to make a story that will sell newspapers...

Anyone in their right mind would not go to the press with such indecent photo's with the expectation that they would be published. Its just not cricket. 

I wouldn't describe Jeremy as being in 'his right mind'. Colin confirms that Jeremy described the pictures as pornographic - it doesn't just come from Fielder. Selling the pictures is the whole point - what kind of a person would do such a thing?