Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?

[Adam]

No it doesn't.

if JB is innocent he does not know what went on in the house anymore than you do. so of course it is human nature in order to free himself to try and grasp on to any small clue about what the truth is.

And BTW the officer was worried enough about the movement at the window to retreat very quickly.

As Jan says Jeremy in order to free himself is going  'to grasp at any small clue to find out what the truth is'.

You can say that again.

[susan]

I agree, in such a situation there is absolutely no point in planning anything, imo the gunman would be almost as out of control as the victims. Crawling through a window in the dark, into the unknown to kill 3 healthy adults with a vermin rifle, involves so much risk and foolhardiness it's almost impossible to contemplate imo.

Maggie  I think a crime of such magnitude would need a degree of planning Jeremy was use to climbing through windows and he was not going into the unknown he had been there earlier he knew the habits of the family and had he been caught coming through the window he could have come up with an excuse for doing so.  Just my opinion of course   He would expect them to be sleeping and he always had the advantage he was holding a loaded rifle which maybe for vermin but is a lethal weapon.

[lookout]

I agree, in such a situation there is absolutely no point in planning anything, imo the gunman would be almost as out of control as the victims. Crawling through a window in the dark, into the unknown to kill 3 healthy adults with a vermin rifle, involves so much risk and foolhardiness it's almost impossible to contemplate imo.

I agree,Maggie.Imagine how emotionally drained anyone would be ? Seeing and smelling death and staring into the face of it all. I'm sorry,but you'd HAVE to be so very sick in the mind to have carried that out as even the vision of it all would disturb you for the rest of your life.
Even hardened police officers today would have to be counselled,especially as two little children were involved. You'd never get over it.
It most definitely would have affected Jeremy in some way if he'd done it. Flash-backs,sleep-deprivation,etc,there are all manner of tell-tale signs which WOULD have been picked up by prison officers.

[maggie]

Maggie  I think a crime of such magnitude would need a degree of planning Jeremy was use to climbing through windows and he was not going into the unknown he had been there earlier he knew the habits of the family and had he been caught coming through the window he could have come up with an excuse for doing so.  Just my opinion of course   He would expect them to be sleeping and he always had the advantage he was holding a loaded rifle which maybe for vermin but is a lethal weapon.

I can't argue with what you say except it was a slim advantage and the whole thing was fraught with difficulties, 'what ifs' and 'maybes'.  Imo.

[Adam]

I agree,Maggie.Imagine how emotionally drained anyone would be ? Seeing and smelling death and staring into the face of it all. I'm sorry,but you'd HAVE to be so very sick in the mind to have carried that out as even the vision of it all would disturb you for the rest of your life.
Even hardened police officers today would have to be counselled,especially as two little children were involved. You'd never get over it.
It most definitely would have affected Jeremy in some way if he'd done it. Flash-backs,sleep-deprivation,etc,there are all manner of tell-tale signs which WOULD have been picked up by prison officers.

Cannabis, champagne and lobsters helped recover.

[maggie]

For you and I (and hopefully the rest of the board), it would be hard to contemplate BUT we aren't of the mind to kill off the family and inherit for an easier life. Had the phone NOT been off the hook, I would have been more inclined to give the call a little credence. However, It's obvious Jeremy left it off the hook to give weight to the call. He is now pushing the 'call from Nevill to police' idea but why would Nevill leave the phone off the hook TWICE?

It's highly unlikely that he would. I do see your argument.

[lookout]

Cannabis, champagne and lobsters helped recover.

For God's sake !! Typical.

[maggie]

Cannabis, champagne and lobsters helped recover.

Adam, I agree with Lookout and most people on the forum. JB would have to be severely disordered and psychopathic to carry out such a horrendous crime, so a very important question is just that and we can argue, guess and feel convinced but unless I knew absolutely and definitely that he is I cannot accept without question that he physically carried out that crime.

[Caroline]

I agree,Maggie.Imagine how emotionally drained anyone would be ? Seeing and smelling death and staring into the face of it all. I'm sorry,but you'd HAVE to be so very sick in the mind to have carried that out as even the vision of it all would disturb you for the rest of your life.
Even hardened police officers today would have to be counselled,especially as two little children were involved. You'd never get over it.
It most definitely would have affected Jeremy in some way if he'd done it. Flash-backs,sleep-deprivation,etc,there are all manner of tell-tale signs which WOULD have been picked up by prison officers.

If he's guilty, he's a psychopath and none of the above would apply. Psychopaths explain things away and make excuses for what they have done to reconcile, what they don't feel is sorry or empathetic. What's important to Jeremy now, is getting away with it and he can continue for the rest of his life because he has nothing to lose

[susan]

I can't argue with what you say except it was a slim advantage and the whole thing was fraught with difficulties, 'what ifs' and 'maybes'.  Imo.

Maggie if Sheila killed her family we have the same "what ifs" and "maybes" it is never ending and the sad thing is we will never know for certain.

[Caroline]

Adam, I agree with Lookout and most people on the forum. JB would have to be severely disordered and psychopathic to carry out such a horrendous crime, so a very important question is just that and we can argue, guess and feel convinced but unless I knew absolutely and definitely that he is I cannot accept without question that he physically carried out that crime.

Then perhaps he should be tested by some independent psychiatrist and not someone working for the defence?

[lookout]

Maggie,believe you me,and in all honesty,if Jeremy had had a history of depression,then I'd have said,without fear of contradiction,that he would have been the killer.

[Caroline]

Maggie,believe you me,and in all honesty,if Jeremy had had a history of depression,then I'd have said,without fear of contradiction,that he would have been the killer.

What's depression got to do with being a psychopath? 

[Adam]

Adam, I agree with Lookout and most people on the forum. JB would have to be severely disordered and psychopathic to carry out such a horrendous crime, so a very important question is just that and we can argue, guess and feel convinced but unless I knew absolutely and definitely that he is I cannot accept without question that he physically carried out that crime.

I know you will agree with Lookout, as you are a supporter.

Do you believe Sheila stayed alive for several hours after everyone else was killed ?

[maggie]

I know you will agree with Lookout, as you are a supporter.

Do you believe Sheila stayed alive for several hours after everyone else was killed ?

I agree with Lookouts post, I don't agree with everything Lookout posts. I am not a 'supporter' I think about others arguments and my own opinions as well, I simply am not sure either way.
I have no definite idea whether Sheila stayed alive for several hours, killed herself straight after or was killed by JB. I just meant that if Sheila carried out the murders she would have been in a psychotic mental state therefore what appeared logical to her would not to most other people.