Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?

[nugnug]

No it doesn't.

if JB is innocent he does not know what went on in the house anymore than you do. so of course it is human nature in order to free himself to try and grasp on to any small clue about what the truth is.

And BTW the officer was worried enough about the movement at the window to retreat very quickly.

well if he knew what went on or cliamed he would undoubtedly be guilty.

[Adam]

Most of those who support Jeremy seem to believe Sheila killed herself rather quickly.  They don't assert she was in conversations with police or shot by police in the kitchen...

There are a minority of liars who assert she was speaking with police and they dishonestly use a log entry which states police communicated to those in the house but no one responded.  It states as plain as day no response was received from those in the house so it is a known lie they are advancing.  The people they manage to fool with this are people who are extremely ignorant of the facts and evidence and are thus unaware that the entry states no one responded.

Likewise there are a minority who assert she was in the kitchen and moved. The body reported in the kitchen prior to entry was Nevill which was mistakenly reported as an old woman.  If the claims had been true that would be indicative of June not Sheila so June should be the one they are claiming was also in the kitchen with Nevill.  There is no blood evidence to support another victim in the kitchen no eyewitness testimony to support such and moving a body to upstairs makes zero sense. Thus most also reject this nonsense.  Again those actually fooled by this babble are people who don't know much about the evidence and facts.

The OS is saying Sheila was alive right up until the police moved in. It has been agreed on another thread that Jeremy has involvement with the OS.

As mentioned Jeremy is playing the percentage game. Trying to throw up lots of examples that Sheila was alive right up until the police moved in. There is no proof to back any of them up and they are not credible examples.

He has never said why Sheila would keep herself alive for hours after killing everyone else.

[Adam]

Reasons why Sheila would stay alive for hours after killing her family:

She planned to kill everyone but not herself. But changed her mind hours later, just as the police moved in.


I can't think of any other reason.

If her plan was to commit murder/suicide, which supporters claim, then she would have killed herself straight after everyone else.

She was crazy, committed and brave enough to kill two adults and two children. So wouldn't have hesitated to kill herself afterwards.

If she didn't plan to kill herself why didn't she just give herself up when the police arrived and tried to communicate with her ?

[Adam]

The OS actually says Sheila was alive in the kitchen when the police broke in. She had shot herself once. She then went upstairs and shot herself again in the main bedroom.

The police did not see her move upstairs, and in the embarrassment decided to frame Jeremy.

Why did Sheila go back upstairs to shoot herself a second time ? Did she not bring the gun downstairs with her ?

If she wanted to commit suicide why have such a long gap between the first and second shots ? She had the courage to fire the first shot.  And there was no vertical blood down Sheila.

[SaraT]

The OS actually says Sheila was alive in the kitchen when the police broke in. She had shot herself once. She then went upstairs and shot herself again in the main bedroom.

The police did not see her move upstairs, and in the embarresment decided to frame Jeremy.

Why did Sheila go back upstairs to shoot herself a second time ? Did she not bring the gun downstairs with her ?

If she wanted to commit suicide why have such a long gap between the first and second shots ? She had the courage to fire the first shot.  And there was no vertical blood down Sheila.

I don't think there's any blueprint for how you are supposed to act after you've just killed four members of your family, you can't expect her to act rationally after that

[Adam]

I don't think there's any blueprint for how you are supposed to act after you've just killed four members of your family, you can't expect her to act rationally after that

Yes Sheila deciding to commit murder/suicide and then waiting hours before killing herself is not logical.

So it must be she decided to act all scatty after ruthlessly killing men, women and children. Conveniently giving Jeremy the impression she was still alive inside WHF. For several hours.

[maggie]

Yes Sheila deciding to commit murder/suicide and then waiting hours before killing herself is not logical.

So it must be she decided to act all scatty after ruthlessly killing men, women and children. Conveniently giving Jeremy the impression she was still alive inside WHF. For several hours.

If Sheila killed the family I doubt any recognisable  logic was involved, Adam.

[Caroline]

I don't think there's any blueprint for how you are supposed to act after you've just killed four members of your family, you can't expect her to act rationally after that

You're right, there is no blueprint, but people expect Jeremy to have carried out the murders to some kind of Ninja standard. Having thought everything through and anticipation the every move of all the family. All the 'I's' and 'T's' dotted - swoop in and then swoop out with no mistakes having never killed 5 people before. Hardly likely, even if he had been planning it for 5 years!!

[SaraT]

Yes Sheila deciding to commit murder/suicide and then waiting hours before killing herself is not logical.

None of it is logical, how can you expect someone to act in a certain way when they have killed four people?

[Caroline]

If Sheila killed the family I doubt any recognisable  logic was involved, Adam.

But she carefully left the signs of Jeremy's story for the police to find.

Phone off the hook (to corroborate the call/calls - which interestingly would have to have been left off the hook TWICE is Nevill also called the police). And the gun neatly placed on her body, bible close by "Sheila has gone crazy, she's got the gun".

Those things seem 'logically' placed to me!!

 

[maggie]

You're right, there is no blueprint, but people expect Jeremy to have carried out the murders to some kind of Ninja standard. Having thought everything through and anticipation the every move of all the family. All the 'I's' and 'T's' dotted - swoop in and then swoop out with no mistakes having never killed 5 people before. Hardly likely, even if he had been planning it for 5 years!!

I agree, in such a situation there is absolutely no point in planning anything, imo the gunman would be almost as out of control as the victims. Crawling through a window in the dark, into the unknown to kill 3 healthy adults with a vermin rifle, involves so much risk and foolhardiness it's almost impossible to contemplate imo.

[maggie]

But she carefully left the signs of Jeremy's story for the police to find.

Phone off the hook (to corroborate the call/calls - which interestingly would have to have been left off the hook TWICE is Nevill also called the police). And the gun neatly placed on her body, bible close by "Sheila has gone crazy, she's got the gun".

Those things seem 'logically' placed to me!!

I have never accepted there was a call to the police by Neville, doesn't ring true to me. I' don't believe the rifle would have landed on her body like that if she had killed herself but would anyone? Surely not?  Surely that was like leaving a note saying this is staged? As did the bible....... just seems so naive and amateur but also I cannot understand why it would be staged by the police either or why they would. 

[Adam]

My recent thread shows it was most probably Jeremy who saw the 'trick of the light'.

It was also Jeremy who ( decades later) brought up the conversation log and two bodies theory. The OS saying Sheila went upstairs and shot herself again after the police entered WHF.

None of this is backed up by the police, although they agree they looked at a window and said there was 'a trick of the light'.

What has never been discussed is that it is more likely for Sheila to have killed herself straight after killing men, women and children.

If she was not planning to kill herself, then she would give up to the police. Or let the police find her alive.

Sheila staying alive for several hours then committing suicide as the police entered WHF is the least likely scenario. But the most convenient for Jeremy.

[Caroline]

I agree, in such a situation there is absolutely no point in planning anything, imo the gunman would be almost as out of control as the victims. Crawling through a window in the dark, into the unknown to kill 3 healthy adults with a vermin rifle, involves so much risk and foolhardiness it's almost impossible to contemplate imo.

For you and I (and hopefully the rest of the board), it would be hard to contemplate BUT we aren't of the mind to kill off the family and inherit for an easier life. Had the phone NOT been off the hook, I would have been more inclined to give the call a little credence. However, It's obvious Jeremy left it off the hook to give weight to the call. He is now pushing the 'call from Nevill to police' idea but why would Nevill leave the phone off the hook TWICE?

[Caroline]

My recent thread shows it was most probably Jeremy who saw the 'trick of the light'.

It was also Jeremy who ( decades later) brought up the conversation log and two bodies theory. The OS saying Sheila went upstairs and shot herself again after the police entered WHF.

None of this is backed up by the police, although they agree they looked at a window and said there was 'a trick of the light'.

What has never been discussed is that it is more likely for Sheila to have killed herself straight after killing men, women and children.

If she was not planning to kill herself, then she would give up to the police. Or let the police find her alive.

Sheila staying alive for several hours then committing suicide as the police entered WHF is the least likely scenario. But the most convenient for Jeremy.

If Sheila was alive, she would have been heard from the operator who listened into the open line. They only heard a dog barking.