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Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« on: June 04, 2015, 03:49:PM »
Taff Jones was on scene for about a half hour.  He rapidly concluded it was murder suicide.  Woodcock recorded his initial theory.  Evidence proved that theory wrong but he supposedly never wavered.

His theory was that Sheila woke up when she heard her father go downstairs. She heard him on the phone with someone and then grabbed the gun and beat him with it and shot him. Then she went upstairs to kill her mother and children.  The commotion in the kitchen woke June and as she was walking out the door to investigate Sheila shot her.  Then she shot her kids and killed herself.

Right off the bat he misread the scene by ignoring the blood in the bed that proved June had been shot in bed. His theory featured Sheila grabbing the gun after Nevill was already on the phone with Jeremy which makes no sense.   It makes no sense for Nevill to call Jeremy then for her to grab the gun and Nevill to at that point convey to Jeremy that she had the gun.  Nor would it make sense to beat Nevill when she could have just shot him. She would have had a hard time beating his head in if he had not already been shot first.  He was much taller than her so how would she be able to bash his head in?  He had to first be beaten onto the ground to be able to then bash his head in.   

After it became clear June was killed in bed and that Nevill was shot upstairs in the bedroom with her then after the gun was empty that is when/why the kitchen fight happened, one has to seriously wonder how Taff Jones could still keep his theory intact. It seems this would explain why superiors were concerned about the way Taff Jones was approaching it and why they decided to have an officer of the required rank (a higher ranking officer was supposed to be in charge of such an investigation)  reinvestigate things.

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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2015, 03:54:PM »
I guess pride came into it, he was very wrong right from the start - and unwilling to open his eyes even when the evidence proved him wrong.

The evidence should have begun to form the story, not ignore the evidence because you think you know what happened, no matter what.

Although I don't blame the officers on scene in the early stages for going along with what Bamber was telling them and had told them.

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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2015, 04:02:PM »
 " Taff" Jones didn't have a " theory ",it was his honest opinion----------a domestic ! The same as I'd have said it was,just between those who were present in the farmhouse that night after Jeremy had left.
There were a Hell of a lot of issues leading up to it.

Like it says in Claire Powell's book,uneasiness began the minute that Sheila had been dropped off. Sheila did not want to be there and had to put a brave face on for the sake of the twins--------who weren't keen either.

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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2015, 04:42:PM »
taff took the scene at its face value at the time he had no reason to do anything else the patholgist had raised any doubts and thats what he would go on.

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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2015, 04:42:PM »
" Taff" Jones didn't have a " theory ",it was his honest opinion----------a domestic ! The same as I'd have said it was,just between those who were present in the farmhouse that night after Jeremy had left.
There were a Hell of a lot of issues leading up to it.

Like it says in Claire Powell's book,uneasiness began the minute that Sheila had been dropped off. Sheila did not want to be there and had to put a brave face on for the sake of the twins--------who weren't keen either.

Of course he had a theory - we all have some sort of theory. His theory clearly doesn't work because Nevill had no reason to call Jeremy at 03:10 when at that point, Sheila was still in her room (in his theory).
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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2015, 04:43:PM »
taff took the scene at its face value at the time he had no reason to do anything else the patholgist had raised any doubts and thats what he would go on.

But evidence developed during the investigation proved his theory false.  He still stood by it anyway in the face of such.  What does that say? 
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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2015, 04:44:PM »
he wasnt convinced by the evedence the relatives pruduced.

why should he have been at that time.
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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2015, 04:44:PM »
But evidence developed during the investigation proved his theory false.  He still stood by it anyway in the face of such.  What does that say?

He didn't want to admit he was wrong.
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2015, 04:46:PM »
But evidence developed during the investigation proved his theory false.  He still stood by it anyway in the face of such.  What does that say?

he wasnt convinced by the evedence and he was right not to be maybe he was wrong to dismmiss it out of hand butt he was right to be sckeptical.

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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2015, 06:14:PM »
Taff thought Sheila woke from hearing Neville go downstairs and telephone someone ?

Who an earth was Neville phoning at 3am ?
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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2015, 06:17:PM »
At the very end Taff started to turn.

Wilkes's book said even Taff didn't like Jeremy living it up in St Tropez.
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Re: Just how bad was Taff Jones' initial theory?
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2015, 06:19:PM »
At the very end Taff started to turn.

Wilkes's book said even Taff didn't like Jeremy living it up in St Tropez.

He supported his arrest.
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