The switched off answering machine. Why ?

[Adam]

Could you still answer the phone if they were switched on?

Providing you picked it up before the allocated number of rings.

If you picked it up after the allocated rings, I assume any message the caller was leaving would be cancelled and they could then speak to you directly.

[maggie]

Providing you picked it up before the allocated number of rings.

If you picked it up after the allocated rings, I assume any message the caller was leaving would be cancelled and they could then speak to you directly.

No It didn't work like that once the tape had clicked on that was it for some while you could stop some by manually pressing a button if you caught it in time. You have to forget digital altogether, they were much slower and less efficient which is why most people switched them off when at home.

[SaraT]

Were you in everyone's house in the 80's ?

No but I was in more than you. And I didn't have to be in everyone's house in the 80's
I'm right and you are wrong.

[maggie]

I would have just kept my answering machine on 24/7. But the rest of the population pressed the off and on buttom more than their TV remote.

There was only so much space on the tape for messages so you didn't waste it if you were in.

[guest154]

No but I was in more than you. And I didn't have to be in everyone's house in the 80's
I'm right and you are wrong.

You're certainly not right, at all. You have an opinion that "everyone" would act this way - but that's all it is...YOUR opinion.

You have absolutely no idea what Jeremy did or didn't do when he got home late that night - none of us do unless he says so.

[Adam]

No but I was in more than you. And I didn't have to be in everyone's house in the 80's
I'm right and you are wrong.

I'm sorry I just don't find it credible that the country switched their answering machines off and on every time they went out, had a shower, hoovered, went to bed, played music, had a bath, went in the garden etc.

It is common sense to just leave it on 24/7.

[SaraT]

You're certainly not right, at all. You have an opinion that "everyone" would act this way - but that's all it is...YOUR opinion.

You have absolutely no idea what Jeremy did or didn't do when he got home late that night - none of us do unless he says so.

It's not my opinion, and I didn't say everyone, I said the vast majority.
I didn't say I knew what JB did that night I said what most people did with their answering machines at that time.

[SaraT]

I'm sorry I just don't find it credible that the country switched their answering machines off and on every time they went out, had a shower, hoovered, went to bed, played music, had a bath, went in the garden etc.

That's not what I said.

[maggie]

You're certainly not right, at all. You have an opinion that "everyone" would act this way - but that's all it is...YOUR opinion.

You have absolutely no idea what Jeremy did or didn't do when he got home late that night - none of us do unless he says so.

I agree but it's certainly true that back in the 1980s people tended to switch the answer phone off when they returned home. Most phones were in the hall near the front door so it was a habit for most, on when leaving the house and off once home after listening to any messages left when out. It's true we have no idea what JB did with his answer phone that evening.

[lebaleb]

The one I owned would ring four or five times then read out the message which could be quite long and then beep and start recording. If you picked it up any time before the end of the beep there was no message recorded.

[Jan]

Well sleeping 'like a log' upstairs, with his bedroom door shut, there is no possibility he will hear the phone.

Supporters have to say his bedroom door was left open.

still talking tosh.

[Alias]

still talking tosh.

Jeremy lived in a tiny cottage, of course he would have heard the phone, door open or closed.

[Caroline]

Jeremy lived in a tiny cottage, of course he would have heard the phone, door open or closed.

I'm sure he would have heard the phone, if there had been a call to hear.

[scipio_usmc]

I'm sure he would have heard the phone, if there had been a call to hear.

That depends on how soundly someone is sleeping not just the ability to hear a phone from another room/level.  Some people don't even wake up from thunder/explosions.

In the meantime how long it takes to wake up, decide to answer and actually get to the phone will ipact whether the caller gives up before you can reach it.

In so far as whether there had been a call to hear...

If you are truly panicked do you grab a shotgun/knife/some other weapon and try to confront her or do you instead waste several minutes on the phone knowing even if the person answers it will take at least 10 minutes for such person to dress and come over to try to help?

If you are too scare to disarm someone yourself and too scared to grab a gun to confront such person with you would call 999 not Jeremy.

The call makes no sense on so many levels and is contradicted by the shooting commencing in the bedroom while June and Nevill were in there. This is one of the things Jeremy supporters have a hard time overcoming.  They are willing to ignore such but that doesn't make it go away that just is a way for them to rationalize what they choose to accept.  Establishing innocence requires demonstrating to others that this call happened. It also requires demonstrating Sheila actually killed everyone including herself with the gun because if she didn't then it is not credible that Nevill would call claiming she had the gun.

So the first step of proving the call is possible even is establishing Sheila did kill everyone including herself.
 

[Caroline]

That depends on how soundly someone is sleeping not just the ability to hear a phone from another room/level.  Some people don't even wake up from thunder/explosions.

In the meantime how long it takes to wake up, decide to answer and actually get to the phone will ipact whether the caller gives up before you can reach it.

In so far as whether there had been a call to hear...

If you are truly panicked do you grab a shotgun/knife/some other weapon and try to confront her or do you instead waste several minutes on the phone knowing even if the person answers it will take at least 10 minutes for such person to dress and come over to try to help?

If you are too scare to disarm someone yourself and too scared to grab a gun to confront such person with you would call 999 not Jeremy.

The call makes no sense on so many levels and is contradicted by the shooting commencing in the bedroom while June and Nevill were in there. This is one of the things Jeremy supporters have a hard time overcoming.  They are willing to ignore such but that doesn't make it go away that just is a way for them to rationalize what they choose to accept.  Establishing innocence requires demonstrating to others that this call happened. It also requires demonstrating Sheila actually killed everyone including herself with the gun because if she didn't then it is not credible that Nevill would call claiming she had the gun.

So the first step of proving the call is possible even is establishing Sheila did kill everyone including herself.

I was being ironic Scip  - there was clearly no call for the many reasons we have discussed many times.