Had Neville been up all night. If not when did he get out of bed ?

[Caroline]

Caroline just say for the sake of debate that Sheila had murdered her family one would have thought she would have shot  her Dad first he was her biggest challenge but my feeling is either Sheila or Jeremy would have dealt with the situation presented to them at the time and it would all have happened in seconds.

I agree Susan, the dilemma of who to shoot first would have applied to both Sheila and Jeremy, I think June got shot first for the simple reason that she was the nearest..

[Patti]

I agree Susan, the dilemma of who to shoot first would have applied to both Sheila and Jeremy, I think June got shot first for the simple reason that she was the nearest..

I think the children were shot first, simply because of the risk of them waking up and running around would make it more difficult...

Shooting June and Nevill would run the risk of waking both the twins and Sheila....

[Caroline]

I think the children were shot first, simply because of the risk of them waking up and running around would make it more difficult...

Shooting June and Nevill would run the risk of waking both the twins and Sheila....

I don't think he thought about it that deeply. BUT, if he shot the twins first he would run the risk of waking Nevill and June - a far greater risk than two small boys.

[scipio_usmc]

I think the children were shot first, simply because of the risk of them waking up and running around would make it more difficult...

Shooting June and Nevill would run the risk of waking both the twins and Sheila....

The silencer was used on purpose to mitigate the threat of people in other rooms waking up during the shots.

What would be worse waking the parents and having them confront you after you expend a magazine on the boys or the boys waking up and running around after you expend a magazine on the parents? 

Shooting the boys first and risking the parents waking makes little sense and moreover had that happened then 10 shots would not have been fired into June and Nevill in the bedroom because the gun would not have been fully loaded at that point.

[Alias]

I don't think he thought about it that deeply. BUT, if he shot the twins first he would run the risk of waking Nevill and June - a far greater risk than two small boys.

If he had been thinking about doing this for close to a year, I think he would have thought it through and decided where to start. It would be strange not to.

[Caroline]

If he had been thinking about doing this for close to a year, I think he would have thought it through and decided where to start. It would be strange not to.

Not really, thinking about and discussing killing his parents for a year doesn't mean he had a blue print. He knew basically what he wanted to do and how he was going to go about it. There are certain things that would have just happened as things unfolded. However, I find nothing strange in June being shot first (if she was) because she was the nearest to the door.

[Patti]

I don't think he thought about it that deeply. BUT, if he shot the twins first he would run the risk of waking Nevill and June - a far greater risk than two small boys.

Yeah but if he had used a sound moderator there would have been no risk at waking anyone up.  On saying that, when June was shoot she sat on the edge on the bed, then got up and walked towards the Sheila's side of the bed facing her killer, surely this would have generated some noise?

[Caroline]

Yeah but if he had used a sound moderator there would have been no risk at waking anyone up.  On saying that, when June was shoot she sat on the edge on the bed, then got up and walked towards the Sheila's side of the bed facing her killer, surely this would have generated some noise?

Then it would make sense to take care of the adults first. We don't know if he killed June outright before following Nevill into the kitchen. she may have still been alive (but badly injured) and staggered around the bedroom.

[Patti]

The silencer was used on purpose to mitigate the threat of people in other rooms waking up during the shots.

What would be worse waking the parents and having them confront you after you expend a magazine on the boys or the boys waking up and running around after you expend a magazine on the parents? 

Shooting the boys first and risking the parents waking makes little sense and moreover had that happened then 10 shots would not have been fired into June and Nevill in the bedroom because the gun would not have been fully loaded at that point.

Shooting June first then Nevill in the same room would generate noise regardless of the moderator being used.  Like I said June sat up, stood up facing her killer.  Nevill surely would have made noise being shot 4 times then making his way downstairs...Are you saying this all happened in silence? I don't think so, but on saying that children sleep through noise, but I doubt their mother did. 

[Caroline]

Shooting June first then Nevill in the same room would generate noise regardless of the moderator being used.  Like I said June sat up, stood up facing her killer.  Nevill surely would have made noise being shot 4 times then making his way downstairs...Are you saying this all happened in silence? I don't think so, but on saying that children sleep through noise, but I doubt their mother did. 

There would have been some noise yes, but there would have been noise if he shot the twins first two which would have alerted Nevill or June or both. The sensible thing to do, would be to eliminate the adults first.

[Patti]

There would have been some noise yes, but there would have been noise if he shot the twins first two which would have alerted Nevill or June or both. The sensible thing to do, would be to eliminate the adults first.

There would have only been noise if a sound moderator had not been used.  Who is to know that this noise woke Nevill and he got up only to be surprised by a Sheila/Jeremy stood in the doorway? This could be the reason why NB was not in bed, he got up?

If the moderator was used there would have been no noise whilst shooting the twins...the rifle could have been reloaded at that point...

[Caroline]

There would have only been noise if a sound moderator had not been used.  Who is to know that this noise woke Nevill and he got up only to be surprised by a Sheila/Jeremy stood in the doorway? This could be the reason why NB was not in bed, he got up?

If the moderator was used there would have been no noise whilst shooting the twins...the rifle could have been reloaded at that point...

Being as I don't think the moderator was used, then obviously I believe there would have been noise - but if Nevill woke up, why didn't June? The scene looks like an ambush.

[guest154]

Being as I don't think the moderator was used, then obviously I believe there would have been noise - but if Nevill woke up, why didn't June? The scene looks like an ambush.

The silencer didn't make the gun 100% silent any way, did it?

[Caroline]

The silencer didn't make the gun 100% silent any way, did it?

No Mat, it didn't.

[Adam]

A poster on Red said Sheila may have passed out.

People have passed out for less.