Had Neville been up all night. If not when did he get out of bed ?

[maggie]

This is how I see it too. Doesn't seem like a risk for Jeremy to shoot June first. He had a gun... he could do what he wanted.

I don't agree, it doesn't make sense to me, it was an unnecessary risk and irrational  imo.

[guest154]

I don't agree, it doesn't make sense to me, it was an unnecessary risk and irrational  imo.

How do you explain Junes blood being found in the bed in the positions it was? Did she sleep through Neville being shot in the room? I know that sounds like I am being sarcastic, but I am not. Why was she still laying down when Neville had just been shot?

[maggie]

Maggie it would have all happened so quickly and Jeremy would be stood in the bedroom door and he needed Ralph on his feet so as he could use the phone call alibi.  Jeremy was the one with the advantage he was holding a loaded rifle and I guess Ralph and June would have been awoken suddenly and would not grasp what was happening at first. Jeremy is still using this as his alibi .

I just cannot agree that given a choice he would choose to shoot June and alert Nevill instead of shooting Nevill first.

[nugnug]

did neviles side of bed look like it had been slept in.

[susan]

I just cannot agree that given a choice he would choose to shoot June and alert Nevill instead of shooting Nevill first.

Maggie maybe he was not given a choice June woke up first was she nearest the bedroom door.

[guest154]

Maggie maybe he was not given a choice June woke up first was she nearest the bedroom door.

That's actually a very good point, she did sleep nearest the door. If someone opened my door, I would wake up. She could have been stirring and Jeremy could have fired within seconds of entering, it would match up with the blood.

[lookout]

 Neville had the higher degree of RM than either June or Sheila,so he'd have been put out of action sooner. I rather suspect that the twins were the first to go  to avoid hearing anything. Leaving the two women to " battle it out " as I've always said. Neville died before June.

[susan]

did neviles side of bed look like it had been slept in.

nugnug yes but we have said no signs of blood on that side of the bed that we could see.

[Alias]

did neviles side of bed look like it had been slept in.

It does.

[scipio_usmc]

No difference between 100mg and 200mg-------------I see 100mg straight away,and in medication,that's a Hell of a difference.
Why do you think she was put on the top dose ??

Ferguson was either lazy or ignorant. His claims about Haldol not causing side bad effects is totally wrong even at the time they knew such medications caused tremors and other problems.  He either never took the time to truly learn about the impact of the medication or he didn't really care.  The attitude then was simply to load you up with medicine and not care about the consequences. Evne now there is a push to simply dope people up and not care about such inhibiting their ability to lead normal lives.

He started her at the maximum dose but didn't follow normal procedure of trying to reduce the dosage to find the minimum effective dosage he simply left her at 200MG without any instructions for reduction.  This can only be attributed to laziness or ignorance of proper procedure.

The only thing that can be said in his defense is that studies that proved greater than 100MG have no added effectiveness were published after this so he had no way to know that at the time.  He still should have known about the side effects though.  It is as a result of those studies they stopped making and administering greater doses.  Still he should have set about finding the minimum effective dosage. 

He seemed to be totally ignorant of the problems caused by Haldol which doesn't speak too highly to his competence.

Here he claims it would be slightly sedating:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1200.0.html

The truth is that much would be more than just slightly sedating a counter agent is normal given to deal with such.

Here he said her doctor contacted him on July 15 requesting the dosage be cut to 100MG because she was receiving way too much:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1201.0.html

He said that he never sent the doctor an answer before the murders and because of the murders never followed up.  So 3 weeks passed from the request and he did nothing- what was he waiting for? 

 

[susan]

That's actually a very good point, she did sleep nearest the door. If someone opened my door, I would wake up. She could have been stirring and Jeremy could have fired within seconds of entering, it would match up with the blood.

Mat I have read on here that June was a light sleeper so she may have woken first when Jeremy appeared at the door he shot her and Ralph jumped up half asleep and so forth.

[maggie]

How do you explain Junes blood being found in the bed in the positions it was? Did she sleep through Neville being shot in the room? I know that sounds like I am being sarcastic, but I am not. Why was she still laying down when Neville had just been shot?

Sorry, I don't understand what you are asking.  I thought you claimed June was shot first by Jeremy entering the bedroom and seeing both sleeping chose to shoot June before Nevill, I was saying I found it hard to believe someone who had planned a cold blooded murder of the whole family over a year would surely have been aware of the danger Nevill posed rather than June.

[guest154]

Sorry, I don't understand what you are asking.  I thought you claimed June was shot first by Jeremy entering the bedroom and seeing both sleeping chose to shoot June before Nevill, I was saying I found it hard to believe someone who had planned a cold blooded murder of the whole family over a year would surely have been aware of the danger Nevill posed rather than June.

I understand what you're saying, you are saying he would have shot Neville first - as he posed the threat. But Junes blood in on her pillow and in the bed, so she was laid down - Nevilles blood wasn't - so how does that fit what you're saying that he would have shot neville first is what I am asking.

[Alias]

Maggie maybe he was not given a choice June woke up first was she nearest the bedroom door.

If she had woke up first, and Jeremy be aware of it, she would have probably sat up quickly, but the blood shows that she was shot with her head still on the pillow.

[Alias]

Why do people think that there is no report of Nevill´s blood in the bedroom?
I am asking simply because I find it strange. You are shot = you bleed.