The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence

[Stephanie]

They did investigate and on further investigation, suspicion grew around Jeremy. Only a month passed before he was arrested. They interviewed witnesses and tested evidence - what else were they supposed to do? Know from the off when the SC had been staged and a story weaved in their ears by Jeremy?

Agreed Caroline!

And nativity has people believe what they are told, not human nature.

[lookout]

They did investigate and on further investigation, suspicion grew around Jeremy. Only a month passed before he was arrested. They interviewed witnesses and tested evidence - what else were they supposed to do? Know from the off when the CS had been staged and a story weaved in their ears by Jeremy?

Suspicion of what, with what, how ? Define " suspicion ". Where does it say what EP found which raised their " suspicion ". Clues, items,etc.

[Steve_uk]

Suspicion of what, with what, how ? Define " suspicion ". Where does it say what EP found which raised their " suspicion ". Clues, items,etc.

They were leant upon by Robert Boutflour, who met  ACC Peter Simpson on 6th September, presumably going over DCI Taff Jones' head. This must have coincided with DS Stan Jones' suspicion ever since he heard what might have been a chuckle emanating from the mouth of Jeremy Bamber that first morning at Goldhanger.

[lookout]

They were leant upon by Robert Boutflour, who met  ACC Peter Simpson on 6th September, presumably going over DCI Taff Jones' head. This must have coincided with DS Stan Jones' suspicion ever since he heard what might have been a chuckle emanating from the mouth of Jeremy Bamber that first morning at Goldhanger.

So,a chuckle.If it was,wasn't he allowed,or what ? It comes to something when someone's sneaking around literally looking for ANYTHING to pin the murders on someone.It's pathetic.
There was naff all to have charged JB with murder.

[lookout]

Why didn't EP bug his phone if they were that keen ?

[notsure]

They were leant upon by Robert Boutflour, who met  ACC Peter Simpson on 6th September, presumably going over DCI Taff Jones' head. This must have coincided with DS Stan Jones' suspicion ever since he heard what might have been a chuckle emanating from the mouth of Jeremy Bamber that first morning at Goldhanger.

do you think the police would a have continued with the murder suicide theory if the family had not raised and put forward thier theories.

I was reading the article Caroline e posted on the myths of circumstantial evidence. A high proportion of people are convicted on circumstantial evidence . It's a worry when someone puts forward a theory especially those who are to gain so have motivation and then the circumstantial evidence is guided towards that theory.

I would have been more comfortable if the family had not become so involved and the police had arrived at the same conclusion through proper police work.

Does all this need looking at within the system, I've said it before but I would be really worried if I had to convict someone to lifein prison based on ssomeone s theores.

[Steve_uk]

do you think the police would a have continued with the murder suicide theory if the family had not raised and put forward thier theories.

I was reading the article Caroline e posted on the myths of circumstantial evidence. A high proportion of people are convicted on circumstantial evidence . It's a worry when someone puts forward a theory especially those who are to gain so have motivation and then the circumstantial evidence is guided towards that theory.

I would have been more comfortable if the family had not become so involved and the police had arrived at the same conclusion through proper police work.

Does all this need looking at within the system, I've said it before but I would be really worried if I had to convict someone to lifein prison based on ssomeone s theores.

But there was no one piece of incontrovertible incriminating evidence, no smoking gun which would put this case to bed once and for all. It finally dawned on DCI Taff Jones what a predicament he was in with the Press sniffing around Bamber, yet with no hard evidence to hand, he tentatively led the questioning that Sunday morning as the old parishoners of Maida Vale wended their way to church, just as June would have been doing some sixty miles distant. So poor an effort did he make of it Jeremy must have sussed they had nothing to go on, which only emboldened him as he was released a day later, whereupon he set sail for France.

[David1819]

They were leant upon by Robert Boutflour, who met  ACC Peter Simpson on 6th September, presumably going over DCI Taff Jones' head. This must have coincided with DS Stan Jones' suspicion ever since he heard what might have been a chuckle emanating from the mouth of Jeremy Bamber that first morning at Goldhanger.

Robert Boutflour meets ACC Peter Simpson on the 6th September.

The same day Superintendent Kenneally meets ACC Peter Simpson. To discuss the conclusions of his review, that found the evidence showed Sheila was responsible for the shootings.

Then two days later Julie Mugford "comes forward" claiming Jeremy had confessed to her and the information she provided can only have come from Robert Boutflour or Ann Eaton.

Seriously. Anyone who cannot smell a rat here is a fully certifiable moron.

[notsure]

But there was no one piece of incontrovertible incriminating evidence, no smoking gun which would put this case to bed once and for all. It finally dawned on DCI Taff Jones what a predicament he was in with the Press sniffing around Bamber, yet with no hard evidence to hand, he tentatively led the questioning that Sunday morning as the old parishoners of Maida Vale wended their way to church, just as June would have been doing some sixty miles distant. So poor an effort did he make of it Jeremy must have sussed they had nothing to go on, which only emboldened him as he was released a day later, whereupon he set sail for France.

I get what your saying but it wouldn't have made me find guilty on the evidence we have available to us on here.

actually steve that brings to my mind about the press. Was this trial by media and did it also have an influence on the outcome.

[Steve_uk]

Why didn't EP bug his phone if they were that keen ?

They did bug the Maida Vale apartment but Jeremy and Brett detected this, mocking the effort with a charivari designed more for entertainment than for their auditors to discover the truth.

[notsure]

Robert Boutflour meets ACC Peter Simpson on the 6th September.

The same day Superintendent Kenneally meets ACC Peter Simpson. To discuss the conclusions of his review, that found the evidence showed Sheila was responsible for the shootings.

Then two days later Julie Mugford "comes forward" claiming Jeremy had confessed to her and the information she provided can only have come from Robert Boutflour or Ann Eaton.

Seriously. Anyone who cannot smell a rat here is a fully certifiable moron.

this is what concerns me David. It wasn't ever a simple case of the police doing what they were supposed to do and them actually informing the family.

I wonder if the police ever considered the real possibility that the family also had motive and that they were up to some story telling. They come across as being perfectly capable.

[notsure]

They did bug the Maida Vale apartment but Jeremy and Brett detected this, mocking the effort with a charivari designed more for entertainment than for their auditors to discover the truth.

I must have missed that steve, what was all that about?

[Steve_uk]

I must have missed that steve, what was all that about?

Well I assume that MI5 thought they could get some dirt on him.

[Steve_uk]

Robert Boutflour meets ACC Peter Simpson on the 6th September.

The same day Superintendent Kenneally meets ACC Peter Simpson. To discuss the conclusions of his review, that found the evidence showed Sheila was responsible for the shootings.

Then two days later Julie Mugford "comes forward" claiming Jeremy had confessed to her and the information she provided can only have come from Robert Boutflour or Ann Eaton.

Seriously. Anyone who cannot smell a rat here is a fully certifiable moron.

I doubt Julie ever met the relatives again after that first fateful day at Goldhanger. Why would she invent the hitman and why would she recall that a glove came off in the fight with Nevill when if in your scenario all she had to do was stick with what was recorded in Robert Boutflour's diary..

[lookout]

They did bug the Maida Vale apartment but Jeremy and Brett detected this, mocking the effort with a charivari designed more for entertainment than for their auditors to discover the truth.

How sad !