were jeremy and brett lovers.

[Jane]

People can be very jealous of relationships even if they are platonic.

They can pose a far greater threat than a sexual one...........the bonds are usually much stronger.

[lookout]

To be perfectly honest,Brett was probably more sympathetic and understanding of Jeremy's situation than Julie,who would have made certain demands upon him,unlike Brett who was purely there to offer his support,no strings attached. Jeremy knew he could tell Brett anything that wouldn't have ended in a first class row at a time like that.

[Caroline]

To be perfectly honest,Brett was probably more sympathetic and understanding of Jeremy's situation than Julie,who would have made certain demands upon him,unlike Brett who was purely there to offer his support,no strings attached. Jeremy knew he could tell Brett anything that wouldn't have ended in a first class row at a time like that.

Well, not quite 'everything' Lookout! 

[Jan]

Was brett ever interviewed for any of the earlier books?

[Caroline]

Was brett ever interviewed for any of the earlier books?

No idea.

[Jan]

I will ask Adam when he comes back - I need a word with him .

[scipio_usmc]

That's a matter of opinion surely? 
As I said it depends whether JB was innocent and guilty and you are obviously looking at it from a guilty perspective but if innocent it would have been a different situation, surely?

Why is it contingent on his guilt?  Julie's statements make it clear she felt he was being immature with his party pal and that she didn't like it and that they broke up as a result of this among other things.  The party she complained about happened regardless of whether he was guilty or not.  She said he had not spoken to her about marriage in ages (they had previously been engaged) and complained about his just wanting to have fun. 

I see the partying all the time as the problem not Brett Collins being gay and trying to get Jeremy to have an affair with him. If they were having a gay affair it would not matter at all to the murders but I don't see that from the evidence in front of us. Since it has no bearing on the murders I don't even know why people care. 

[Jan]

I think because RB made a thing about Brett being a homosexual and by inference Jeremy was associated with him. Also the police called Jeremy politically incorrect names - so if he is innocent people think it was just something extra that was used to "blacken" his name.

I know it would not now - but it did seem in the 80s it mattered to EP and it mattered to the family.

[maggie]

Why is it contingent on his guilt?  Julie's statements make it clear she felt he was being immature with his party pal and that she didn't like it and that they broke up as a result of this among other things.  The party she complained about happened regardless of whether he was guilty or not.  She said he had not spoken to her about marriage in ages (they had previously been engaged) and complained about his just wanting to have fun. 

I see the partying all the time as the problem not Brett Collins being gay and trying to get Jeremy to have an affair with him. If they were having a gay affair it would not matter at all to the murders but I don't see that from the evidence in front of us. Since it has no bearing on the murders I don't even know why people care.

I agree it has no bearing on the case and it's none of my business what their relationship was. The intolerant narrow minded bigotry of some  is quite shocking although not unusual at that time. I was just expressing an opinion as you do at length all the time.
If commenting on their relationship it does depend which perspective you approach it from, whether you believe Jeremy was 'partying' or trying to cope.

[nugnug]

it is slightly relvant in that its relvant to the judgment of rwb if his judment was right in this case it makes his judgment of jeremy being is a bit more credible but if his judgment was wrong on that means his judgments qustionable.

[scipio_usmc]

To be perfectly honest,Brett was probably more sympathetic and understanding of Jeremy's situation than Julie,who would have made certain demands upon him,unlike Brett who was purely there to offer his support,no strings attached. Jeremy knew he could tell Brett anything that wouldn't have ended in a first class row at a time like that.

Collins ran there knowing Jeremy was going to inherit everything figuring they could party like mad. His supported seemed to consist of being a party pal and helping Jeremy try to sell things to fund their partying.

[lookout]

Collins ran there knowing Jeremy was going to inherit everything figuring they could party like mad. His supported seemed to consist of being a party pal and helping Jeremy try to sell things to fund their partying.

Not at all. Jeremy needed to sell items in order to lighten the burden of having to pay inheritance tax which can leave a large hole in whatever's left after probate,etc. If he could have got rid of a lot of unwanted antiques,then it would have helped. Jeremy nor the workers would have been receiving any wages at the time as probate can take 4 months and longer and everyone involved still had bills to pay,etc.
He wouldn't have been selling items just for the fun of going partying. Until you've been in such a situation yourself,then you can't judge others.

[Jane]

Not at all. Jeremy needed to sell items in order to lighten the burden of having to pay inheritance tax which can leave a large hole in whatever's left after probate,etc. If he could have got rid of a lot of unwanted antiques,then it would have helped. Jeremy nor the workers would have been receiving any wages at the time as probate can take 4 months and longer and everyone involved still had bills to pay,etc.
He wouldn't have been selling items just for the fun of going partying. Until you've been in such a situation yourself,then you can't judge others.

Are you suggesting that the business was on the brink of insolvency!!!? I feel perfectly certain that blocks weren't put on the business accounts. Unless Jeremy had received instructions from the company accountants and/or family solicitor to the contrary, there was no need for him to have done anything but all those holidays -here and abroad-, partying, a holiday for Julie, buying drugs, would hardly have been appropriate things to put in requests for. Probate and death duties WEREN'T an immediate concern for him and such monies as would have been required to meet these were unlikely to have been raised by selling a few antiques. However the selling of such would certainly provide an immediate jolly.

[nugnug]

had he booked these holidays before the murders or did he make the decisn afterwards

i mean the wages he was on he could still have aforded those holidays.

[lookout]

Are you suggesting that the business was on the brink of insolvency!!!? I feel perfectly certain that blocks weren't put on the business accounts. Unless Jeremy had received instructions from the company accountants and/or family solicitor to the contrary, there was no need for him to have done anything but all those holidays -here and abroad-, partying, a holiday for Julie, buying drugs, would hardly have been appropriate things to put in requests for. Probate and death duties WEREN'T an immediate concern for him and such monies as would have been required to meet these were unlikely to have been raised by selling a few antiques. However the selling of such would certainly provide an immediate jolly.

I'm NOT suggesting anything of the sort.Why do you ask ?
It's normal for banks to put everything on hold until probate has been sorted,if,as I imagine,the will had been a complicated one.

Jeremy had to meet all costs,including the funerals, flowers,cars,etc.

My word,you have painted him in a very misunderstanding light.