were jeremy and brett lovers.

[Patti]

Thanks, susan yes, I remember that Brett Collins, seems there are a few around of about the right age.   

Yeah, that B. Collins has not got a middle name called Eric. 

[susan]

Yeah, that B. Collins has not got a middle name called Eric. 

Really 

[scipio_usmc]

Not necessarily.I didn't say that. I was inferring to what Scipio had " made up " in his own mind,as per.

I didn't make up anything. He told Julie that Brett was ugly:

[lookout]

 It looks like unattractive to me,not ugly. Bit of a difference,though you do like to exaggerate.

[scipio_usmc]

It looks like unattractive to me,not ugly. Bit of a difference,though you do like to exaggerate.

They are synonyms, ugly is just more blunt.  It is kinder to say unattractive instead of horse face. 

[nugnug]

I didn't make up anything. He told Julie that Brett was ugly:

well he would say that wouldent hes not going to tell his girlfriend if his atracted to another man.

[susan]

well he would say that wouldent hes not going to tell his girlfriend if his atracted to another man.

Nugnug quite right but I don't think Brett was that bad quite angelic in my eyes

[scipio_usmc]

well he would say that wouldent hes not going to tell his girlfriend if his atracted to another man.

He admitted it about the other guy who he was so fond of he kept a picture. in the meantime if he were messing around with Brett he would not ask her why she didn't suspect anything.  I have never cheated on a girlfriend/wife but if I were cheating with a woman I spent a lot of time with I sure as hell would not say to my girlfriend/wife why don't you suspect anything is going on between us since we spend so much time together.  No cheater is going to light the fire like that unless they are planning to say they are cheating with such person and want to run away with them.   

[Jan]

So Julie accepted that Jeremy had a gay relationship - but then dobbed him in when she found out about Liz.

she is a strange one.

Or did that all nicely tie in with the police and family wanting to portray him as a "ponce"

One day we might find out.

[Caroline]

He admitted it about the other guy who he was so fond of he kept a picture. in the meantime if he were messing around with Brett he would not ask her why she didn't suspect anything.  I have never cheated on a girlfriend/wife but if I were cheating with a woman I spent a lot of time with I sure as hell would not say to my girlfriend/wife why don't you suspect anything is going on between us since we spend so much time together.  No cheater is going to light the fire like that unless they are planning to say they are cheating with such person and want to run away with them.

Well, Jeremy has been described as a 'tease' and not just in a fun way. He probably said it to taunt as opposed to there being any real relationship between him and Brett. Julie certainly seemed uncomfortable with their friendship - and a little jealous.

[Caroline]

I didn't make up anything. He told Julie that Brett was ugly:

To be fair Scip, Julie actually said Brett was ugly/unattractive (although from his picture, he's not that bad) and Jeremy just agreed. It does sound as though she was trying to influence him because maybe she was worried? Like I said before, when she talks about Brett, there does seem to be some jealousy. I don't believe Jeremy and Brett were anything more than friends - but I think Julie might have thought there were?

[nugnug]

did the police ever qustion brett

[lookout]

 To make them " more than just friends " all added to the circumstantial evidence and vilification of Jeremy which was the main aim in this case. Anything that hinted of unscrupulousness was jotted down in the " diary " of events.

[susan]

did the police ever qustion brett

Nugnug Police did question Brett but he was not considered a suspect as he was in Greece at the time of the murders.

[Caroline]

did the police ever qustion brett

Yes, he was arrested with Jeremy when they came back from holiday.