if the jury had known that julie mugford had committed criminal acts would they

[Adam]

Hi

if you were a jury member and you had been told about Julie Mugfords criminal activity would ypu have thought differently about her testimony and did the jury have a right to know

The jury were aware of Susan Battersby's 1984 cheque book fraud.

The defence focused on it as they agreed her WS had a 'ring of truth' to it.

[Adam]

The jury were not aware of Jeremy trying to sell pictures of Sheila to The Sun.

They were not aware he illegally grew and sold drugs. And smuggled drugs from Amsterdam after the massacre.

Carol Ann Lees book says Jeremy also boasted about smuggling heroin. This and the stolen Cartier watches in New Zealand  were not mentioned to the jury.

[scipio_usmc]

Its normally unprecedented that the jury are told of previous offences. I suppose it was the defense team that sanctioned it.  Normally previous offences are read out after the verdict, so this is very rare. 

Since Julie mentioned such in her statements they were able to be discussed in court.  That also mentioned Jeremy's crime at the Caravan site though so was a double edged sword.

 

[Adam]

The caravan site break in was mentioned to the jury.

This relates to the massacre in several ways -

It was a crime against his family.

It highlighted his thirst for money.

It was shortly before the massacre.

It would have made relationships within the family worse.

It would have increased the financial debt and money owed to Neville and June.

It showed Jeremy was willing to commit a crime and stage the scene.

He trusted Julie enough to involve her in helping him commit a crime against his family. So why not tell her about his crime to his family ?

[Jan]

The jury were not aware of Jeremy trying to sell pictures of Sheila to The Sun.

They were not aware he illegally grew and sold drugs. And smuggled drugs from Amsterdam after the massacre.

Carol Ann Lees book says Jeremy also boasted about smuggling heroin. This and the stolen Cartier watches in New Zealand  were not mentioned to the jury.

OH ADAM YOU MUST STOP SUPPORTING JULIE

Julie Mugford and Elizabeth Rimmington

Essex Police were convinced on the basis of all available evidence that Sheila had killed the
family and committed suicide. On the 7th September 1985 Elizabeth Rimmington telephoned
Witham Police Station to say that Julie Mugford was withholding vital evidence in the White
House Farm enquiry. This was at 4pm. This telephone call was documented as Telephone
Report Number One. The exact content of this telephone call from Ms Rimmington is still a
mystery as Essex Police continue to withhold this document from the Defence.

This is the sequence of events

5:00pm D.S. Stan Jones goes to the address of Malcolm Waters and takes Julie Mugford into
custody. (HOLMES 64/13 and 1/12)

While in custody at Witham Julie asked that her father is contacted so she can talk to him.
(HOLMES 5/10)

Julie Mugford was interviewed under caution. (HOLMES 1/49)

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7:00pm to 10:40pm D.S. Jones and D.I. Miller interviewed Juilie together.

11:00pm to 02:00am D.C.I. Jones interviewed Julie.

The taped record and written record of Julie Mugford’s interviews on 7th September 1985
remain undisclosed.

Brett Collins, Mathew MacDonald, Christine Bacon and I were all arrested on the
8th September with:-

“Suspicion of being concerned with the murder of June and Nevill Bamber, Sheila, Daniel and
Nicholas Caffell.”

So, there is every reason to suspect that Julie was taken into custody for the same reason.
Whilst in Police Custody, Julie confessed to cultivating and selling cannabis, burglary, a bank
fraud, and to possession of drugs. Other documents from the City of London Police detail
that she admitted smuggling cannabis into the UK from Canada. The majority of the
offences she confessed to were not connected with me in any way. She admitted to using
cocaine in her 10th September 1985 statement, when she and Ms Rimmington had gone
back to a hotel with two men they had just met.

Around the same time, Ms Rimmington stated that Julie had told her she’d broken up with
me and “you don’t know the half of it.” Liz said “that Julie was lucky you’ve broken up” as
she went on to tell Julie that she had been sleeping me with her behind Julie’s back.

Julie says she told Ms Rimmington “that Jeremy had told her he’d paid a hit man to kill the
family.” Ms Rimmington states in her 8th September 1985 statement that from the
1st September she had told Julie repeatedly to go to the Police. Julie had refused to go.

Ms Rimmington states in her 15th September statement that on the 6th of September she
and Julie had booked and paid to go on holiday to Malta together on the 8 th September for
seven days. Ms Rimmington does not explain why she then reported Julie to Essex Police for
withholding evidence in a murder enquiry on the 7th September, the day after paying for
their holiday and a day before they were due to fly off to Malta

[Adam]

I am just stating what the jury were aware and not aware of. Which is what the thread was about.

Jeremy is lucky that several things were not mentioned to the jury.

[Adam]

I am well aware of events.

There is a thread on why Julie waited a month. Lots of reasons.

The most recent one said by Julie herself on the 'New video'. All supporters can do is claim she is lying.

[susan]

Hello Adam

how do you know what is in Carol Ann Lee's book are you her Agent.  I suspect she reads the forum quite often have you been in contact with her by pm.

[Adam]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=L3tpVdSoH-aGywP5toHYCg&url=http://content.wow.com/wiki/Jeremy_Bamber&ved=0CCYQFjAEOBQ&usg=AFQjCNGxICfpAFlZvE9Vl4Ub8NdglTOvrA&sig2=YMKwDgb7JsGpaLc3jQ--LA

[Adam]

Lookout, who did Jeremy boast to about smuggling heroin ? Thank you.

[susan]

Lookout, who did Jeremy boast to about smuggling heroin ? Thank you.

Adam you just quoted that Carol Ann said this in her forth coming book.

[Adam]

Adam you just quoted that Carol Ann said this in her forth coming book.

Sorry it was Claire Powell.

[susan]

Sorry it was Claire Powell.

Adam I thought you had some inside information.  Thank you for explaining.

[Adam]

Be interesting to know more about Jeremy smuggling heroin. That's a serious crime. And would take a lot of courage.

[Caroline]

Be interesting to know more about Jeremy smuggling heroin. That's a serious crime. And would take a lot of courage.

This sounds more like an exaggeration by CP (there are quite a few in her book) or Jeremy building up his hard man rep.