Rifle that was originally taken off Shiela's body - had a strap...

[mike tesko]

I think you will find that her prints were on everything at the farm.  She lived there from time to time remember.

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Yes and the presence of her fingerprints on so many weapons found at the scene, tells its own story - a story that the relatives and EP did not want the court to know anything at all about...

[sandy]

You cannot infer just because her fingerprints were found on weapons that she had used them. It is more likely that she had put them away just in case her sons got their hands on them.

It seems to me that it was Nevill and Sheila who had the common sense in that household while Jeremy was too bloody lazy to put his own rifle away choosing instead to lay it on the kitchen table with the magazine removed together with the bullet found in the breech.

[mike tesko]

You cannot infer just because her fingerprints were found on weapons that she had used them. It is more likely that she had put them away just in case her sons got their hands on them.

It seems to me that it was Nevill and Sheila who had the common sense in that household while Jeremy was too bloody lazy to put his own rifle away choosing instead to lay it on the kitchen table with the magazine removed together with the bullet found in the breech.

... I can infer whatever I want to...

[sandy]

Doesn't make it right though, just your opinion.

[smiffy]

it can be inferred ...many things are inferred rightly or wrongly in court..so.

What is established though is that she had physical contact with things she left her fingerprints on. guns!!

sandy inferred sheila may have put the weapons away...so fairs fair ..anyone can also make their own inferrals from her contact with the guns involved that may be different.

[smiffy]

credible posters opinions are considered .
the lossy posters opinions are ignored.
it soon becomes obvious which posters have no credibility and make themselves look foolish.

[simong]

credible posters opinions are considered .
the lossy posters opinions are ignored.
it soon becomes obvious which posters have no credibility and make themselves look foolish.

I like to think that everyones opinion is worth hearing even the ones i don't agree with. It's a shame that questioning your own credibility, causes you to view my opinions with such contempt. Oh well, It is a privilege to be ignored by someone as high and mighty as you. 

[mike tesko]

Doesn't make it right though, just your opinion.

... Sometimes opinions turn out to be accurate, and as is often the case, so do theories, and speculation - sometimes evidence isn't worth the paper its written on. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, or to speculate, or to make inferences - these very same principals were  utililyzed by the court that convicted Jeremy...

[sandy]

To infer that Sheila used weapons just because her prints were on some of them is far beyond what can be called reasonable speculation.  The facts are that Sheila hated guns and never fired one in her adult life.

Fingerprints found on guns could be years old or weeks old, there is no way of telling.

[Kaldin]

To infer that Sheila used weapons just because her prints were on some of them is far beyond what can be called reasonable speculation.  The facts are that Sheila hated guns and never fired one in her adult life.

Fingerprints found on guns could be years old or weeks old, there is no way of telling.

Who says she hated guns and never fired one? One of the relatives who hardly ever saw her?

[sandy]

No, several actually.

June's sister, Pamela Boutflour, testified that Sheila was not a violent person, and said she had never known her to use a gun. June's niece, Ann Eaton, said Sheila "would not know one end of the barrel of a gun to another"

[Kaldin]

No, several actually.

June's sister, Pamela Boutflour, testified that Sheila was not a violent person, and said she had never known her to use a gun. June's niece, Ann Eaton, said Sheila "would not know one end of the barrel of a gun to another"

I don't think it's relevant if she was violent or not. She had schizophrenia.

How often did the relatives actually see her? I read somewhere that Jeremy had been showing Sheila how to load a magazine or something.

[sandy]

Apparently every reference to Sheila using guns came from....yes you guessed it....Jeremy!

[Kaldin]

Apparently every reference to Sheila using guns came from....yes you guessed it....Jeremy!

Actually, it was one of the relatives who said that Jeremy had showed her how to load a magazine. Jeremy said he hadn't seen Sheila fire a gun as an adult - according to the 2002 appeal document.

[sandy]

It was Jeremy and Jeremy alone who put the idea of a mad gun-woman romping around the farmhouse in the minds of the police.