The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Steve_uk]

Julie stated he told her he was killing them for the inheritance and he told others that he would never share the inheritance.  The only reason to wait and kill his parents while Sheila and the boys were also there was to kill all at the same time so he could be the only heir.  The evidence establishes why he did it I don't need to make any assumptions.

People are making assumptions about how horrible his life was because he had to feel unwanted by being given up for adoption and being sent to boarding school and not loved like a family should.

Instead of getting a job outside of the family like most people do he went back to mommy and dad saying give me a job, give me a car give me a place to live...but he wasn't happy with that lifestyle he didn't want to work he wanted to enjoy his youth partying and living it up.  The lifestyle he wanted is the one he lived after the funerals and he achieved it by murdering the victims.

Again I agree with your main thrust and Colin tells us he learned from Sheila that June had threatened to disinherit him at the expense of the twins. I think this is the main reason why he feels no remorse at all,as it is as if his life was set on a predestined course(remember he told Liz Rimington it was important to have money whilst you were young)and of course most people in Jeremy's position would feel similarly that they had too much to lose if they cut the umbilical cord,though under the circumstances it might have been the best course for all and brought June to her senses at last.

[maggie]

Julie stated he told her he was killing them for the inheritance and he told others that he would never share the inheritance.  The only reason to wait and kill his parents while Sheila and the boys were also there was to kill all at the same time so he could be the only heir.  The evidence establishes why he did it I don't need to make any assumptions.

People are making assumptions about how horrible his life was because he had to feel unwanted by being given up for adoption and being sent to boarding school and not loved like a family should.

Instead of getting a job outside of the family like most people do he went back to mommy and dad saying give me a job, give me a car give me a place to live...but he wasn't happy with that lifestyle he didn't want to work he wanted to enjoy his youth partying and living it up.  The lifestyle he wanted is the one he lived after the funerals and he achieved it by murdering the victims.

It is not about having a horrible life, people with good lives can suffer very badly from Primal Wound disorder.  For some it makes them feel as though they don't really exist and life has no order or meaning,that is all I was saying.

[scipio_usmc]

It is not about having a horrible life, people with good lives can suffer very badly from Primal Wound disorder.  For some it makes them feel as though they don't really exist and life has no order or meaning,that is all I was saying.

People who feel their lives are meaningless kill themselves, in many ways it is the cowardly way out. When you kill others to live it up on their dime the motivation clearly is money.  A small minority of people kill spouses or parents to get insurance money/inheritances.  Yet it happens on a fairly regular basis nonetheless.

[maggie]

People who feel their lives are meaningless kill themselves, in many ways it is the cowardly way out. When you kill others to live it up on their dime the motivation clearly is money.  A small minority of people kill spouses or parents to get insurance money/inheritances.  Yet it happens on a fairly regular basis nonetheless.

You have no idea what I am talking about, there is no set rules as to why people kill themselves or others.
People who suffer from personality disorder do sometimes murder.  The prisons are full of people with personality disorders.

[Alias]

Yes grateful. If his biologically parents did not have the resources, time or motivation to bring up Bamber, he should be grateful Neville and June did.

Mary Mugford testified on what Bamber told her. She never said she was an expert on adoption. I have already created a thread on her testimony.

I resent that way of thinking very much. A child should not be grateful to be brought up, it is any child´s right!
If anyone should be grateful, it is the parents who are lucky to be entrusted with bringing a young one up to be a whole, loved human being.

P.S. just read through all the posts, and I have to say, there are many brilliant ones from both sides of the "fence".
How great also to see a debate without bad feelings and insults slung around (too much...  )!

[susan]

I resent that way of thinking very much. A child should not be grateful to be brought up, it is any child´s right!
If anyone should be grateful, it is the parents who are lucky to be entrusted with bringing a young one up to be a whole, loved human being.

P.S. just read through all the posts, and I have to say, there are many brilliant ones from both sides of the "fence".
How great also to see a debate without bad feelings and insults slung around (too much...  )!

Alias great post and I agree with you on all counts

[maggie]

Yes grateful. If his biologically parents did not have the resources, time or motivation to bring up Bamber, he should be grateful Neville and June did.

Mary Mugford testified on what Bamber told her. She never said she was an expert on adoption. I have already created a thread on her testimony.

Never grateful Adam, I believe parents earn love from their children, they don't own them and an adoptive child needs love, security and understanding, the child's needs are the important issue.  It's wrong to expect a child to be 'grateful' anymore than they should be made to feel 'guilt'. 

[maggie]

I resent that way of thinking very much. A child should not be grateful to be brought up, it is any child´s right!
If anyone should be grateful, it is the parents who are lucky to be entrusted with bringing a young one up to be a whole, loved human being.

P.S. just read through all the posts, and I have to say, there are many brilliant ones from both sides of the "fence".
How great also to see a debate without bad feelings and insults slung around (too much...  )!

Well said Alias.

[Jan]

Again I agree with your main thrust and Colin tells us he learned from Sheila that June had threatened to disinherit him at the expense of the twins. I think this is the main reason why he feels no remorse at all,as it is as if his life was set on a predestined course(remember he told Liz Rimington it was important to have money whilst you were young)and of course most people in Jeremy's position would feel similarly that they had too much to lose if they cut the umbilical cord,though under the circumstances it might have been the best course for all and brought June to her senses at last.

I think that if JB is innocent we will find that a lot of Julies "evidence" will be found to be there to paint a false picture to actually give JB a motive. don't forget that at a fairly young age he was already a shareholder in two successful businesses was paid a good wage for farming and had free accommodation. It would appear that in fact the "worse " relationship (at the time of the murders) was between Sheila and June and Colin admitted he felt guilty about not handing over the letter to NB that he wrote.  Except for hearsay we have no evidence that JB was to be disinherited. Did that in fact come from Colin ? I always thought that came from Julies mother ?

And why did NB tell the estate manager that he was about to give Jeremy more management responsibilities because he was pleased how he was coming on? If Jeremy was really that bad and his relationship with June was as described then he would have chucked him out of the cottage and taken back his business shares for a start.

[Jan]

Never grateful Adam, I believe parents earn love from their children, they don't own them and an adoptive child needs love, security and understanding, the child's needs are the important issue.  It's wrong to expect a child to be 'grateful' anymore than they should be made to feel 'guilt'.

totally agree - Sometimes material things and money are the last thing a child needs. And if you expect your children to be grateful it normally does not happen until they have children of their own . then it all usually falls into place. 

[Steve_uk]

I think that if JB is innocent we will find that a lot of Julies "evidence" will be found to be there to paint a false picture to actually give JB a motive. don't forget that at a fairly young age he was already a shareholder in two successful businesses was paid a good wage for farming and had free accommodation. It would appear that in fact the "worse " relationship (at the time of the murders) was between Sheila and June and Colin admitted he felt guilty about not handing over the letter to NB that he wrote.  Except for hearsay we have no evidence that JB was to be disinherited. Did that in fact come from Colin ? I always thought that came from Julies mother ?

And why did NB tell the estate manager that he was about to give Jeremy more management responsibilities because he was pleased how he was coming on? If Jeremy was really that bad and his relationship with June was as described then he would have chucked him out of the cottage and taken back his business shares for a start.

I just think Jeremy was going through the motions whilst planning his scheme. Colin tells us in his book that he learned from Sheila that there was a threat from June that he might be disinherited in favour of the twins. Julie had a similar tale that Jeremy was worried his mother might leave a substantial legacy to the Church.

[Alias]

I just think Jeremy was going through the motions whilst planning his scheme. Colin tells us in his book that he learned from Sheila that there was a threat from June that he might be disinherited in favour of the twins. Julie had a similar tale that Jeremy was worried his mother might leave a substantial legacy to the Church.

It is a very serious step to disinherit your own child. Jeremy would have had to have done something terrible to warrant the consideration of such a step.

If this rumour, because rumour is what it is, what had Jeremy done?

[Caroline]

It is a very serious step to disinherit your own child. Jeremy would have had to have done something terrible to warrant the consideration of such a step.

If this rumour, because rumour is what it is, what had Jeremy done?

He robbed the caravan park

[Steve_uk]

It is a very serious step to disinherit your own child. Jeremy would have had to have done something terrible to warrant the consideration of such a step.

If this rumour, because rumour is what it is, what had Jeremy done?

He had probably demanded more money to embark on yet another round the world trip. June had refused to write out any further personal cheques and Nevill had bought him a car after he wrecked his old one,commenting that he "hoped he had a good bank manager".

[susan]

He robbed the caravan park

Caroline when you think of it robbing your own parents is pretty low they had been so good to him.