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Offline scipio_usmc

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1200 on: June 07, 2015, 06:21:AM »
J. Bamber is a victim too. No matter what, he is. His bio parents didnt want him.
I think the sun would have made sure to get those pictures, they have nothing to prove this session. Why didn´t they record anything, not one bit? Seriously!

If you don't feel loved enough you move out on your own away from your family and make your own life.  He stayed to work for them because he got a job, house and would take over upon their retirement- he didn't want to go work hard on his own. But he didn't want to wait till they retired to take over and till they died to inherit.  He didn't want to share his inheritance either.  He was not a victim in my eyes.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1201 on: June 07, 2015, 08:39:AM »
There was no guarantee he would have much to take over.

Neville said Jeremy had no business sense.

His relationships with both parents were terrible. And getting worse.

Sheila, Nicolas and Daniel were also due big slices of the inheritance.

Nicholas and Daniel may be old enough to want to have a say in how things are run, when they inherited. Treading on Jeremy's toes after he had slaved on the farm for so long.   

Mary Mugford testified that Jeremy told her June was planning to give the twins a bigger slice of her will.

Neville may pass his money to June if he died first. Or vice versa. One or both may live for another 20 years.

The money Neville and June had was reducing due to costs on maintaining Sheila and the twins. Together with her medical bills.

Things were slipping away from Jeremy. Which is why Stan Jones said in the recent video Jeremy was not prepared to wait.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1202 on: June 07, 2015, 09:10:AM »
If you don't feel loved enough you move out on your own away from your family and make your own life.  He stayed to work for them because he got a job, house and would take over upon their retirement- he didn't want to go work hard on his own. But he didn't want to wait till they retired to take over and till they died to inherit.  He didn't want to share his inheritance either.  He was not a victim in my eyes.

Scipio the Sun got their story without buying the pictures and if the description of them was true they could not have printed them so why pay out money.  We don't know if they recorded the conversation with Jeremy or not.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1203 on: June 07, 2015, 09:44:AM »
It´s a really sad story.
I agree Alias. The issues and effect of adoption are far more complex than most people comprehend, adopted children often have complicated psychological issues which need sensitive handling and understanding. Back in the 1980s no one had a clue about all this, in fact there was very little understanding about the psychological damage to children from all kinds of adult behaviour.
I believe if JB was guilty the whole family were victims of ignorance which was not consciously of their own making, imagine the total abandonment a young child must feel who has already been abandoned by their natural mother ie. The Primal Wound, who no doubt had attachment problems and confusion to be sent far from the security of their home to a strange and inhospitable school. The adoptive parents were no doubt unaware of these issues because they were never encouraged to know or understand and in turn the loosely named Social Workers were often unaware, uninvolved and shockingly uncaring in my experience when working in that area in the late 60s.
This is my opinion, not an accusation towards anyone but in my eyes a tragedy which was repeated many times, whether it was responsible for JB killing or not, whether he killed or not is debate able and why the forum exists but however you look at it, it is a massive tragedy IMO.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1204 on: June 07, 2015, 09:50:AM »
If you don't feel loved enough you move out on your own away from your family and make your own life.  He stayed to work for them because he got a job, house and would take over upon their retirement- he didn't want to go work hard on his own. But he didn't want to wait till they retired to take over and till they died to inherit.  He didn't want to share his inheritance either.  He was not a victim in my eyes.
That is far too simplistic Scipio , most who suffer these psychological problems are not aware why they feel empty, dissasociated, confused and insecure, they look for love everywhere and anywhere however nothing fills the space unless they go into therapy and begin to understand and heal.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1205 on: June 07, 2015, 09:50:AM »
I doubt that Bamber was too bothered about being adopted. He certainly couldn't take it out on June and Neville. They didn't abandon him.

It shows Neville and June both wanted him. And went to great lengths to get him.

He should be grateful for being adopted into an affluent family. It's doubtful his biological parents had the same resources, which may be the reason they gave him up.

What really upset him according to Mary Mugford was that he was sent away to boarding school. He never forgave them for that.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1206 on: June 07, 2015, 09:53:AM »
I doubt that Bamber was too bothered about being adopted. He certainly couldn't take it out on June and Neville. They didn't abandon him.

It shows Neville and June both wanted him. And went to great lengths to get him.

What really upset according to Mary Mugford was that he was sent away to boarding school. He never forgave them for that.
Adam, that would have been an enormous difficulty for him whether he recognised it or not, whether he murdered or not. You have totally ignored most of my post or you just completely fail to attempt to understand any of it.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1207 on: June 07, 2015, 09:59:AM »
I just don't believe he murdered because he was adopted at six months old. It has nothing to do with the massacre.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1208 on: June 07, 2015, 10:02:AM »
I doubt that Bamber was too bothered about being adopted. He certainly couldn't take it out on June and Neville. They didn't abandon him.

It shows Neville and June both wanted him. And went to great lengths to get him.

He should be grateful for being adopted into an affluent family. It's doubtful his biological parents had the same resources.

What really upset him according to Mary Mugford was that he was sent away to boarding school. He never forgave them for that.
'Grateful' .... Are you serious? I wonder why you block my argument? What did Mary Mugford understand about adoption?  I am not saying Nevill and June didn't want their children, i would never say that I hope as an adoptive mother myself I have some insight, think I said they were all victims from the natural parents all the way through to Jeremy and Sheila and the carnage which was the end result. If June was at fault I woul say I am in no doubt she did her best but was so weighed down with her own mental health difficulties she simply had no way of understanding. Her mental health and mothering problems possibly came from her own upbringing, such is the continuation from generation to generation.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1209 on: June 07, 2015, 10:04:AM »
I just don't believe he murdered because he was adopted at six months old. It has nothing to do with the massacre.
How do you know this?  Have you researched the subject? Have you any understanding of the complexities of adoption?

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1210 on: June 07, 2015, 10:05:AM »
Yes grateful. If his biologically parents did not have the resources, time or motivation to bring up Bamber, he should be grateful Neville and June did.

Mary Mugford testified on what Bamber told her. She never said she was an expert on adoption. I have already created a thread on her testimony.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1211 on: June 07, 2015, 10:06:AM »
'Grateful' .... Are you serious? I wonder why you block my argument? What did Mary Mugford understand about adoption?  I am not saying Nevill and June didn't want their children, i would never say that I hope as an adoptive mother myself I have some insight, think I said they were all victims from the natural parents all the way through to Jeremy and Sheila and the carnage which was the end result. If June was at fault I woul say I am in no doubt she did her best but was so weighed down with her own mental health difficulties she simply had no way of understanding. Her mental health and mothering problems possibly came from her own upbringing, such is the continuation from generation to generation.

Maggie excellent post and very well said :) I think poor June was not really capable of bringing up children but she did do her best and no more than that can a person do..
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1212 on: June 07, 2015, 10:08:AM »
How do you know this?  Have you researched the subject? Have you any understanding of the complexities of adoption?

You think he massacred his mother, father, sister and two six year old's after 24 years, because he was adopted ?

He was an inheritance killer. Together with lots of other reasons that have been posted. Adoption has nothing to do with it.  You know this. I don't know why you are going on about it.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1213 on: June 07, 2015, 10:08:AM »
J. Bamber is a victim too. No matter what, he is. His bio parents didnt want him.
I think the sun would have made sure to get those pictures, they have nothing to prove this session. Why didn´t they record anything, not one bit? Seriously!

I think he is to a certain degree, BUT it's certainly no excuse because by most people's standards, he had a bloody good life! However, I think double rejection probably sent him on his way to personality disorder. Being told he was adopted just before sending him to boarding school must have been a lot to bear for an eight year old. I think June and Nevill did their best - they didn't deserve what happened to them and neither did Sheila, Nicholas and Daniel.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1214 on: June 07, 2015, 10:11:AM »
I just don't believe he murdered because he was adopted at six months old. It has nothing to do with the massacre.
If JB did murder it would very possibly be because of the adoption. He would need to be totally dissasociated and disordered to carry out such a crime or a psychpath, he would not need to be a genetic psychpath but more a sociopath and very mentally damaged. That's my opinion, no way would he rationally decide to kill them all because he had concious and rational adoption issues, that's not what I am saying but you I don't believe you want to hear what I am saying.