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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1050 on: May 28, 2015, 05:22:PM »
I told you countless times and all you do in response is to say you refuse to believe it and instead of basing your beliefs in this case on the evidence and his behaviors after the murders you choose to make your decision based on body language in the limited times you saw him on film.  Calling Sheila before police and not bothering to call 999 are telling, your body language mumbo jumbo is not.

The evidence in the case consisted of evidence proving:

Sheila didn't load the gun

Sheila didn't beat anyone

Sheila didn't fire a gun

Sheila can't have committed suicide she was murdered

Sheila's murder was staged as a suicide 

Julie's testimony that Jeremy planned to kill his family and stage it as a murder suicide at the hands of Sheila

Evidence Jeremy unhooked and hid a perfectly working kitchen phone and replaced it with the bedroom phone so there no longer was a phone in the master bedroom.

Evidence that Nevill was shot in the master bedroom with June and then after the gun was empty things progressed to the kitchen but Nevill's wounds prevented him from speaking (so not only would he not have made a call featuring the lie that Sheila was running around with a gun going crazy, he couldn't make a call).

Evidence also proves Jeremy called Julie before police but lied and claimed he called police first knowing he had no valid excuse for calling her first if he had actually received the call he claims to have received from Nevill.

Jeremy also lied to police at the scene claiming Sheila had fired all weapons in the house and was competent with them.

Jeremy also made up a ridiculous story about getting the gun out to shoot rabbits and leaving it out so as to pretend there was a weapon of opportunity for Sheila to grab but he left out too many bullets for his story to be true thus revealing the bullets were staged later. 

In sum, the physical evidence proves Sheila was murdered along with everyone else and framed.  Jeremy's claim he received a phone call, Julie's testimony, Jeremy's other claims to police and behavior after allegedly receiving a call from Nevill all demonstrate he is the one who framed her. That is how the case was made.







I'm not talking about Sheila.I asked what evidence EP had against Jeremy.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1051 on: May 28, 2015, 05:44:PM »





Another side-track ?

No. I asked the question first -three times I think- yet you seem to think you have every right to ignore questions from me yet demand a response to your own and you appear to ignore that a jury already gave an answer to your question.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1052 on: May 28, 2015, 05:54:PM »
So in amongst other posts the question I was asking looks like it was answered - we do not know if the pictures were truly pornographic as the gory "details" came from the Sun and not Jeremy or Colin  - so it could be that they blackened Sheilas name without actually seeing the photos. Which is what I was getting at .

Plus pornographic is a strong word for pictures of which we do not actually know what they entailed.

And no I am not defending JB - but also I don't like to see exaggeration of any situation.

After all Colin also said in his book that Jeremy thought the world of Sheila and was proud of her modelling photos . The bit about him being like  a brother I am sure came from Colin and referred to an earlier period of time when he was first dating Sheila. He also said at the time of the murders he would support Jeremy.

I was Trying to get to the facts of this "situation" and whether the Sun did embellish the story to sell pictures.
I think in the past Caroline you did comment that even if the Sun were moral enough to refuse to print the photos( which you doubted)  you thought that they would have set up a meeting with the cash in order to catch Jeremy red handed and to prove the pictures existed.



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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1053 on: May 28, 2015, 06:08:PM »
Hello Jan

I appreciate what you are saying but what concerns me why did Jeremy leave two sets of nude photo's in the flat for Colin to take yet he said he wanted the "famous ones for himself and he made Colin feel uncomfortable talking about how you saw so much more down to the last detail.  Colin said in his book he was worried what Jeremy would do with them and did write asking for them back to be destroyed but his letter was too late.The set of slides left for Colin were described by Colin as Glamour type photo's so I do wonder what was in the third set to make Jeremy remove them from the flat.  I also think and this is just me reading my own take on the situation that Jeremy did tell Colin what type of photo's they were that he removed but Colin would not print such details in his book.  Sheila was his ex wife and the Mother of his boys and would not want to disrespect her by talking of the photo's in detail.  The Sun described them as sex snaps so what was in them is not really for us to know.  All very sad.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1054 on: May 28, 2015, 06:12:PM »
No. I asked the question first -three times I think- yet you seem to think you have every right to ignore questions from me yet demand a response to your own and you appear to ignore that a jury already gave an answer to your question.






I'm not falling for that one.What do you think I am ?

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1055 on: May 28, 2015, 06:13:PM »
In actual fact the question is open to anyone willing to answer it------------truthfully,of course.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1056 on: May 28, 2015, 06:20:PM »





I'm not falling for that one.What do you think I am ?


A little deaf, perhaps :) You have been given the answer to your question countless times by several different people -it isn't their fault if you don't like or believe what they say- yet you STILL refuse to answer what I asked you.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1057 on: May 28, 2015, 06:23:PM »
I am just posting this - previously posted because as I said I was interested in the timing of the meeting with the newspaper as it would seem extremely stupid for JB to be drawing attention to himself in this way.



"Here's a piece about Jeremys questioning
Vic you can pull me up if you think anything is wrong here



After his first arrest on the 8th of September, he was questioned for four days sometimes until 11pm at night.  Police constantly pressed him on the positioning of the gun accusing him of telling some police officers that the rifle was on the table, but he was adamant the gun was on the settle.  DS Stan Jones asked him if he had or hadn’t fired the gun.  He was insistent that he had not fired the rifle.  They went over and over the telephone call from his father.  The records of these interviews span for hundreds of pages.  DS Jones told Jeremy that Julie had said that he had called her before calling the police which contradicted what both he and Julie had initially told police. The time of the call needed to be ‘fixed’ at a much earlier time for the prosecution to state that he called Julie first.

After days of questioning Jeremy gave in with confusion and said that maybe he did call Julie first.  This single discrepancy was used against Jeremy although it actually has no real bearing on the facts; whether he called Julie first or the police second the events still happened just as he had said.  Since the interview Jeremy has maintained that he called the police before he called Julie.  There are no other discrepancies in Jeremy’s accounts throughout his 27 years.

Through all of the witness accounts, many people have altered their accounts and statements contradict each other, there is only one account which remains the same to this day and it is the account of Jeremy Bamber.  This is because it is the truth and the truth does not alter, other witnesses have exaggerated and embellished their original accounts in the media and to different police enquiries.  Jeremy had coped with the strain of the continual questioning and by comparison with other miscarriages of justice his version of accounts has not altered; he has never confessed nor altered his story under duress.

After his first arrest and release without charge Jeremy was approached by the newspapers for his story.  Naively he went to meet with one after his solicitor advised him against it.  But Jeremy was tired of being vilified by the newspapers after his arrest and wanted to tell his story.  Jeremy said that Brett Collins also advised that he should go to meet with the journalist. But the Sun journalist wasn’t interested in Jeremy’s account, and continually asked questions about Sheila Caffell and requested any modelling pictures which might have been pornographic.  Jeremy had told him that there were none and that there might have been some topless ones but Colin Caffell would have those.  The journalist ran the story reporting that the newspaper had been offered these pictures and they also went to the police. The newspaper never obtained pictures of Sheila, because they didn’t exist, further proof that Jeremy Bamber had not intended to sell any pictures to the newspaper.

Jeremy’s efforts to tell his story had gone disastrously wrong, this coupled with the burglary at the caravan park made the outlook very bleak.  Stories escalated about Jeremy’s relationship with Brett Collins and his trips abroad.  Acquaintances turned their backs on him and his often eccentric, foolish behaviour and socializing with homosexuals was amplified by local gossip.  His enjoyment of cannabis, later down classified to a class C drug and frequently used by the middle classes was also a major point of “criminality” used by the prosecution.  He was presented as having spent a lot of money on holidays but the reality was on his trip to Amsterdam he, Brett and Julie had shared the same room to economise.

After his arrest the trip to the South of France was glamorized but the fact was that Jeremy and Brett stayed in a caravan to keep the costs low.  Anything to escape the now intrusive and destructive glare of the media, Jeremy was an innocent man subjected to similar treatment as other people who are vilified in the press and subsequently released without charge.

Jeremy had continued smoking pot, taking prescribed sedatives[10] and alcohol to drown out the shock, pain and sorrow.  His arrest and high media profile prompted his new love Virginia to turn her back on him.   Julie had contrived a convoluted story to the police, and his relatives had turned against him and by their own admission, were taking belongings from his family home without permission.[11] Even Colin Caffell had become distant and had written to him saying that the relatives had insisted that Jeremy was duping him and was definitely guilty and Colin didn’t know what to believe now his beautiful twins were dead and Jeremy had been arrested and released without charge.[12"


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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1058 on: May 28, 2015, 06:24:PM »
So in amongst other posts the question I was asking looks like it was answered - we do not know if the pictures were truly pornographic as the gory "details" came from the Sun and not Jeremy or Colin  - so it could be that they blackened Sheilas name without actually seeing the photos. Which is what I was getting at .

Plus pornographic is a strong word for pictures of which we do not actually know what they entailed.

And no I am not defending JB - but also I don't like to see exaggeration of any situation.

After all Colin also said in his book that Jeremy thought the world of Sheila and was proud of her modelling photos . The bit about him being like  a brother I am sure came from Colin and referred to an earlier period of time when he was first dating Sheila. He also said at the time of the murders he would support Jeremy.

I was Trying to get to the facts of this "situation" and whether the Sun did embellish the story to sell pictures.
I think in the past Caroline you did comment that even if the Sun were moral enough to refuse to print the photos( which you doubted)  you thought that they would have set up a meeting with the cash in order to catch Jeremy red handed and to prove the pictures existed.


you would of thought they would but im geussing some of the more explicit details come from the rather depraved imagentations of tabliod journlists.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1059 on: May 28, 2015, 06:25:PM »
Hello Jan

I appreciate what you are saying but what concerns me why did Jeremy leave two sets of nude photo's in the flat for Colin to take yet he said he wanted the "famous ones for himself and he made Colin feel uncomfortable talking about how you saw so much more down to the last detail.  Colin said in his book he was worried what Jeremy would do with them and did write asking for them back to be destroyed but his letter was too late.The set of slides left for Colin were described by Colin as Glamour type photo's so I do wonder what was in the third set to make Jeremy remove them from the flat.  I also think and this is just me reading my own take on the situation that Jeremy did tell Colin what type of photo's they were that he removed but Colin would not print such details in his book.  Sheila was his ex wife and the Mother of his boys and would not want to disrespect her by talking of the photo's in detail.  The Sun described them as sex snaps so what was in them is not really for us to know.  All very sad.

I agree it is sad - but I also can not understand why if they were that bad that they would be left around in a drawer and that does not add up either - like many other things in this case .


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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1060 on: May 28, 2015, 06:30:PM »
Jan you forgot to mention that Jeremy was washing/wiping dishes in a hotel ? South of France,for extra pocket money.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1061 on: May 28, 2015, 06:33:PM »

A little deaf, perhaps :) You have been given the answer to your question countless times by several different people -it isn't their fault if you don't like or believe what they say- yet you STILL refuse to answer what I asked you.






What you asked me has no relevance to the case whatsoever. What I asked you and others IS the case.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1062 on: May 28, 2015, 06:37:PM »
I agree it is sad - but I also can not understand why if they were that bad that they would be left around in a drawer and that does not add up either - like many other things in this case .

Jan it seems that Jeremy had cleaned out the flat but all the photo's were in a cupboard I think in Sheila's bedroom.  What was printed in the paper do you know I only know the headline from Colin.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1063 on: May 28, 2015, 06:42:PM »





What you asked me has no relevance to the case whatsoever. What I asked you and others IS the case.

That's just your opinion but no matter, you've been given an answer on several occasions which is generous given that he's been convicted and COULD therefore be said to be irrelevant................that you choose NOT to answer my question gives me a clearer and perhaps more truthful answer that if you had.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #1064 on: May 28, 2015, 06:50:PM »
So in amongst other posts the question I was asking looks like it was answered - we do not know if the pictures were truly pornographic as the gory "details" came from the Sun and not Jeremy or Colin  - so it could be that they blackened Sheilas name without actually seeing the photos. Which is what I was getting at .

Plus pornographic is a strong word for pictures of which we do not actually know what they entailed.

And no I am not defending JB - but also I don't like to see exaggeration of any situation.

After all Colin also said in his book that Jeremy thought the world of Sheila and was proud of her modelling photos . The bit about him being like  a brother I am sure came from Colin and referred to an earlier period of time when he was first dating Sheila. He also said at the time of the murders he would support Jeremy.

I was Trying to get to the facts of this "situation" and whether the Sun did embellish the story to sell pictures.
I think in the past Caroline you did comment that even if the Sun were moral enough to refuse to print the photos( which you doubted)  you thought that they would have set up a meeting with the cash in order to catch Jeremy red handed and to prove the pictures existed.

To be totally honest Jan, I think you are defending Jeremy and doing the same as Gringo, you're ignoring what Colin actually said in favour of things you think he SHOULD have said or would have preferred him to say. Read his statement again because he refers to the pictures hHE took as soft 'PORNOGRAPHY' and the ones Jeremy explained to him were A LOT MORE EXPLICIT.

Yes, I did indeed say the above but I also told you that I made excuses for Jeremy - I admit it, it's a shame others can't do the same when we have more information about the situation than we did back then. How can the journalist be exaggerating when it was Jeremy who explained the pictures? Both you and Gringo ignore the FACT that Colin said they were described in exactly the same way as Jeremy had described them to him.

You can drag up what I said in the past all you like, I was WRONG and I made excuses for him. Not no more!! He tried to sell pictures of his dead sister of that I am sure. Whether the pictures existed or not or were pornographic in nature isn't the point - the point is that a so call grieving man who had just lost his family TRIED TO SELL explicit pictures of his dead sister.
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