The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[maggie]

Maggie we note everything you say and agree with you but this does not mean Jeremy did not try and sell explicit photo's of his dead sister to them no connection at all IMO.  Sorry.

I agree, I am speaking to Adam and his particular argument that the Sun would not lie etc. it is an argument built on sand and he needs to find a better one.

I would like him to acknowledge that The Sun Newspaper did lie for the police in the 1980s, and did cash in on tragedy, it may seem irrelevant but it certainly isn't for the 96 people who died at Hillsborough or their families, or to the fans who were accused of being responsible and the subsequent ruination of lives.

Sorry to go on but I feel it needs saying.

[nugnug]

He didn't even try to dispute it. 

does dispute what happend weather you belive him or not is another but he certanly did dispute it.

[Caroline]

As it did over the tragedy of Hillsborough, surely you should at least acknowledge that or do you believe the Sun did not 'cash in' did not lie for the police? 
I know it is a different event Adam but surely you should concede the Sun Newspaper was far from squeaky clean in the 1980s and proven to do all of the above.

Hate The Sun newspaper, it's a piece of crap. However, the fact that Colin stated the photographs were described in the same way to him by Jeremy, the fact that Jeremy (and Brett Collins) didn't deny or dispute the claims, the fact that the OS starts with a disclaimer, the fact that when I asked him about the story, he just didn't answer and the fact that the OS states that the pictures didn't even exist even though we KNOW he told Colin about them. Leave The Sun out of it - I'm sure you should concede the likelihood of THIS story being untrue - is highly UNLIKELY.

[nugnug]

I agree, I am speaking to Adam and his particular argument that the Sun would not lie etc. it is an argument built on sand and he needs to find a better one.

I would like him to acknowledge that The Sun Newspaper did lie for the police in the 1980s, and did cash in on tragedy, it may seem irrelevant but it certainly isn't for the 96 people who died at Hillsborough or their families, or to the fans who were accused of being responsible and the subsequent ruination of lives.

Sorry to go on but I feel it needs saying.

i dont belive adam allways seriosly belives what hes  saying.

[Adam]

Points of agreement between The Sun and OS:

The meeting took place.

Brett was there.

Discussions about photographs took place.

Discussions about Jeremy's life story were discussed.

Topless photographs of Sheila exist.

CC knows about the photographs.

Jeremy did not supply the photographs at the meeting.

The Sun published a front page story straight afterwards. Michael Fielding  confirming The Suns story 20 years later.

[maggie]

Hate The Sun newspaper, it's a piece of crap. However, the fact that Colin stated the photographs were described in the same way to him by Jeremy, the fact that Jeremy (and Brett Collins) didn't deny or dispute the claims, the fact that the OS starts with a disclaimer, the fact that when I asked him about the story, he just didn't answer and the fact that the OS states that the pictures didn't even exist even though we KNOW he told Colin about them. Leave The Sun out of it - I'm sure you should concede the likelihood of THIS story being untrue - is highly UNLIKELY.

I don't disagree with you I am speaking to Adam about his particular comments as I have just posted.

[Caroline]

does dispute what happend weather you belive him or not is another but he certanly did dispute it.

Where?

[Caroline]

i dont belive adam allways seriosly belives what hes  saying.

I don't believe that you do.

[nugnug]

Hate The Sun newspaper, it's a piece of crap. However, the fact that Colin stated the photographs were described in the same way to him by Jeremy, the fact that Jeremy (and Brett Collins) didn't deny or dispute the claims, the fact that the OS starts with a disclaimer, the fact that when I asked him about the story, he just didn't answer and the fact that the OS states that the pictures didn't even exist even though we KNOW he told Colin about them. Leave The Sun out of it - I'm sure you should concede the likelihood of THIS story being untrue - is highly UNLIKELY.

jeremy does deny the cliams he doesnt deny that the meeting took place. bret colins as far as i know has never spocken.

[Adam]

Points of disagreement:

The Sun says Jeremy contacted them. Jeremy says it was the other way around.

The Sun says Jeremy claimed to have explicit pictures of Sheila. He wanted money quickly for the pictures. Jeremy claims The Sun were not interested in what he had to say and just wanted to discuss potential pornographic pictures of Sheila.

The Suns front page article was a complete lie according to Jeremy. 

[Adam]

Points where there is no confirmation:

There is no confirmation whether The Sun reporter taped the conversation. Although it is almost certain he did.

There is no confirmation that Jeremy tape recorded the conversation. Although it is almost certain he did not.

The lawyer who Jeremy consulted prior to the meeting has never confirmed this happened.

[nugnug]

Where?

he disputes it on the officail site he doesnt dispute that the meeting took place he does dispute what happrend at the meeting.

[nugnug]

Points where there is no confirmation:

There is no confirmation whether The Sun reporter taped the conversation. Although it is almost certain he did.

There is no confirmation that Jeremy tape recorded the conversation. Although it is almost he did not.

The lawyer who Jeremy consulted prior to the meeting has never confirmed this happened.

so he consulted a lawer about the meeting did he.

[Caroline]

he disputes it on the officail site he doesnt dispute that the meeting took place he does dispute what happrend at the meeting.

No he doesn't dispute it on the OS - it's written by someone else who is careful to make the claim that the account doesn't come from Jeremy!!  You and Lookout even pointed this out the other day - that it's just someone else's opinion! 

[nugnug]

based on what jeremy told them.