The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Caroline]

The reputation of The Sun/News of the World has allowed people to use THAT as an EXCUSE to once again dismiss Bamber's disgusting behaviour. It doesn't matter what The Sun has done since - there is enough evidence from Colin to PROVE Bamber tried to sell those pictures. I find it sad that even with this weighted against him, people are still unwilling to admit that 'at least' he did this. I am 100% sure that he did try and sell those pictures and I am sure others are too - even those that won't admit it.

[Jane]

The reputation of The Sun/News of the World has allowed people to use THAT as an EXCUSE to once again dismiss Bamber's disgusting behaviour. It doesn't matter what The Sun has done since - there is enough evidence from Colin to PROVE Bamber tried to sell those pictures. I find it sad that even with this weighted against him, people are still unwilling to admit that 'at least' he did this. I am 100% sure that he did try and sell those pictures and I am sure others are too - even those that won't admit it.

Was you last point NOT the case, Caroline, they wouldn't spend as long putting all the blame for it on the Sun to deflect attention away from Jeremy's responsibility in it.

[Caroline]

Was you last point NOT the case, Caroline, they wouldn't spend as long putting all the blame for it on the Sun to deflect attention away from Jeremy's responsibility in it.

Exactly, whether you believe The Sun or not, you can't get passed this without suggesting that Colin is a liar! He states VERY CLEARLY, that what he read in the article was the SAME as what Bamber told him. Bamber's own website, states that the pictures didn't exist and yet he told at least two people that they did!! Again, one doesn't need to rely on the words of The Sun because we have it CONFIRMED by Colin. I also asked him and he declined to answer. I think the reason why people are unwilling to accept that he did this, is because it doesn't sit well with the notion of an 'innocent man'. I know, I've been there and made similar excuses but I KNEW they were EXCUSES!

[guest154]

The reputation of The Sun/News of the World has allowed people to use THAT as an EXCUSE to once again dismiss Bamber's disgusting behaviour. It doesn't matter what The Sun has done since - there is enough evidence from Colin to PROVE Bamber tried to sell those pictures. I find it sad that even with this weighted against him, people are still unwilling to admit that 'at least' he did this. I am 100% sure that he did try and sell those pictures and I am sure others are too - even those that won't admit it.

Some posters should start yoga classes, because boy they are bending over backwards to deny this in completely unbelievable ways. Not believing The Sun/NOTW is one thing, but that isn't enough to discredit this story of Bamber selling the pictures, there are witnesses outside of the Sun - supporters ignore this or brush over it.

Should be ashamed really, as whether they believe Bamber guilty of murder or not its clear he is guilty of this. Unless Fletcher and CC are in on this whole thing too? But it does give a clear view of who is willing to see things openly and honestly and which ones will support Bamber no matter what and see him as being able to do no wrong.

[susan]

The problem for some is that the Sun can never be trusted, Adam.  If you were in any way involved in the horror of Hillsborough and also for many who were not the Sun will never be forgiven and never be trusted again.  They still struggle to sell their rag on Merseyside and rightly so.  I can believe Jeremy Bamber might possibly be a murderer but I cannot find it anywhere in my head or my heart to believe the Sun.  Call me biased but that is how it is.
I am not saying Colin is lying or doubting him in any way but he wrote his book in hindsight and it was a massively emotive thing for him........    I just cannot believe the Sun didn't at the very least put a massive spin on it.

Maggie I know how you feel about Hillsborough but why would Colin make this story up and how did the Sun know about these photo's unless they were told and it would need to be Jeremy or Colin and Colin would not do that and you are saying Colin's book was massively emotive so putting that aside who told the Sun.

[Adam]

Exactly, whether you believe The Sun or not, you can't get passed this without suggesting that Colin is a liar! He states VERY CLEARLY, that what he read in the article was the SAME as what Bamber told him. Bamber's own website, states that the pictures didn't exist and yet he told at least two people that they did!! Again, one doesn't need to rely on the words of The Sun because we have it CONFIRMED by Colin. I also asked him and he declined to answer. I think the reason why people are unwilling to accept that he did this, is because it doesn't sit well with the notion of an 'innocent man'. I know, I've been there and made similar excuses but I KNEW they were EXCUSES!

Where does it say in his own website that the pictures do not exist ?

[Caroline]

Where does it say in his own website that the pictures do not exist ?

I just posted this last night but here it is again! 5th paragraph from the bottom.

http://jeremybamber.org/jeremy-bamber/

After his first arrest and release without charge Jeremy was approached by the newspapers for his story.  Naively he went to meet with one after his solicitor advised him against it.  Jeremy was tired of being vilified by the newspapers after his arrest and wanted to tell his story.  Jeremy said that Brett Collins also advised that he should go to meet with the journalist. The Sun journalist wasn’t interested in Jeremy’s account, and continually asked questions about Sheila Caffell and requested any modelling pictures which might have been pornographic.  Jeremy had told him that there were none and that there might have been some topless ones but Colin Caffell would have those.  The journalist ran the story reporting that the newspaper had been offered these pictures and they also went to the police. The newspaper never obtained pictures of Sheila, because they didn’t exist, further proof that Jeremy Bamber had not intended to sell any pictures to the newspaper.

[nugnug]

Some posters should start yoga classes, because boy they are bending over backwards to deny this in completely unbelievable ways. Not believing The Sun/NOTW is one thing, but that isn't enough to discredit this story of Bamber selling the pictures, there are witnesses outside of the Sun - supporters ignore this or brush over it.

Should be ashamed really, as whether they believe Bamber guilty of murder or not its clear he is guilty of this. Unless Fletcher and CC are in on this whole thing too? But it does give a clear view of who is willing to see things openly and honestly and which ones will support Bamber no matter what and see him as being able to do no wrong.

cc said he dident see the pictures he never mentioned hardcore photos anyway.

[Caroline]

Some posters should start yoga classes, because boy they are bending over backwards to deny this in completely unbelievable ways. Not believing The Sun/NOTW is one thing, but that isn't enough to discredit this story of Bamber selling the pictures, there are witnesses outside of the Sun - supporters ignore this or brush over it.

Should be ashamed really, as whether they believe Bamber guilty of murder or not its clear he is guilty of this. Unless Fletcher and CC are in on this whole thing too? But it does give a clear view of who is willing to see things openly and honestly and which ones will support Bamber no matter what and see him as being able to do no wrong.

Well said Mat!

[guest154]

cc said he dident see the pictures he never mentioned hardcore photos anyway.

It's clear they existed, Nugs. Whether CC saw them or not. He was told about them by Jeremy. I know you don't want that to be true, but tough luck.

Well said Mat!

Thanks, petty excuses galore.

[nugnug]

It's clear they existed, Nugs. Whether CC saw them or not. He was told about them by Jeremy. I know you don't want that to be true, but tough luck.

Thanks, petty excuses galore.

so why belive jeremy you think hes a murderer.

[lookout]

What evidence did EP find that Jeremy was a murderer ?

[susan]

cc said he dident see the pictures he never mentioned hardcore photos anyway.

nugnug Colin refers to them as being very explicit and Jeremy told Colin they showed everything down to the last detail his manner was rather gloating and like the behaviour of an immature schoolboy.  The headlines in  the paper were Bambi Brother in Photo Scandal he tried to peddle sex snaps of model.  The Sun got this story from somebody.

[Adam]

I just posted this last night but here it is again! 5th paragraph from the bottom.

http://jeremybamber.org/jeremy-bamber/

After his first arrest and release without charge Jeremy was approached by the newspapers for his story.  Naively he went to meet with one after his solicitor advised him against it.  Jeremy was tired of being vilified by the newspapers after his arrest and wanted to tell his story.  Jeremy said that Brett Collins also advised that he should go to meet with the journalist. The Sun journalist wasn’t interested in Jeremy’s account, and continually asked questions about Sheila Caffell and requested any modelling pictures which might have been pornographic.  Jeremy had told him that there were none and that there might have been some topless ones but Colin Caffell would have those.  The journalist ran the story reporting that the newspaper had been offered these pictures and they also went to the police. The newspaper never obtained pictures of Sheila, because they didn’t exist, further proof that Jeremy Bamber had not intended to sell any pictures to the newspaper.

Thanks. I remember reading this before now.

So the meeting certainly happened.

So Jeremy is claiming entrapment. The Sun approaching him for his life story. Then not following this through but writing a front page lie about Jeremy trying to sell pictures of Sheila.

Talk about kicking a man when he's down.

[Adam]

The Sun couldn't publish 'pornographic' pictures of Sheila.

They could publish certain pictures. Bit disgraceful publishing those sorts of pictures of someone who had just committed such a terrible crime.