The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[lookout]

He had no choice BUT to stage a suicide, he couldn't exactly go back and unkill everyone.

You might have you own ideas, but if you document them here they are up for debate! If that 'little dig'  is referring to me, you're quite a 'know it all' yourself or try to be and as for locking horns, I don't have horns - if you do, that speaks volumes!!  .

A team of forensic scientists? This was 1985, the police did their own gathering and then sent of their evidence to an independent lab. They had their own scenes of crime officers. The role of SOCO later became a civilian role.

You don't see how the phone call puts Jeremy in the frame? I don't understand how you're not understanding. It's common sense Lookout. IF he was home at the time he received a call, then he couldn't be killing the family and Sheila MUST be guilty because Nevill mentioned that she had gone crazy and had the gun. If Nevill didn't call, then how did Jeremy know about the events at WHF - if he knew and there was no call, he HAS to be guilty. It doesn't depend how you look at it at all!! A call from Nevill = innocent, no call = guilty.

[lookout]

Ooops,posted before I wrote.


I was meaning Neville's call to the police,not the initial call to Jeremy.

[lookout]

He had no choice BUT to stage a suicide, he couldn't exactly go back and unkill everyone.

You might have you own ideas, but if you document them here they are up for debate! If that 'little dig'  is referring to me, you're quite a 'know it all' yourself or try to be and as for locking horns, I don't have horns - if you do, that speaks volumes!!  .

A team of forensic scientists? This was 1985, the police did their own gathering and then sent of their evidence to an independent lab. They had their own scenes of crime officers. The role of SOCO later became a civilian role.

You don't see how the phone call puts Jeremy in the frame? I don't understand how you're not understanding. It's common sense Lookout. IF he was home at the time he received a call, then he couldn't be killing the family and Sheila MUST be guilty because Nevill mentioned that she had gone crazy and had the gun. If Nevill didn't call, then how did Jeremy know about the events at WHF - if he knew and there was no call, he HAS to be guilty. It doesn't depend how you look at it at all!! A call from Nevill = innocent, no call = guilty.

There were no " digs at you " at all,though if the cap fits,etc etc. I was actually referring to the professional bods who I've come into contact with during my working life. Who are not always right,but never admit to their mistakes,some of which had been well covered.

[Jan]

If he wasn't nice looking, I doubt he would have as many supporters and if I had murdered someone I would expect to be judged for the rest of my life, wouldn't you?

Excuse me? I don't think that is the case - I think that is a real insult to people intelligence.

Is that the reason you were such a supporter then - because of his looks?

[Jan]

the police were also criticised for not using gloves when handling the rifle  - and saying they thought it was suicide and murder is no excuse - the murders were still a crime that should have been investigated .

[Caroline]

Excuse me? I don't think that is the case - I think that is a real insult to people intelligence.

Is that the reason you were such a supporter then - because of his looks?

It's a generalisation Jan, not sure why you should take it personally but it's a common feature here of late.

[susan]

the police were also criticised for not using gloves when handling the rifle  - and saying they thought it was suicide and murder is no excuse - the murders were still a crime that should have been investigated .

Jan I agree with you even when the police thought Sheila was responsible the scene should have been investigated very shoddy police work IMO.

[Caroline]

There were no " digs at you " at all,though if the cap fits,etc etc. I was actually referring to the professional bods who I've come into contact with during my working life. Who are not always right,but never admit to their mistakes,some of which had been well covered.

I might live in the north but I don't own a cap (or a whippet - don't have horns either) so I wouldn't know if it fits or not. 

[guest154]

Jan I agree with you even when the police thought Sheila was responsible the scene should have been investigated very shoddy police work IMO.

I think both sides would agree with this, yes. The police investigation was flawed from the start and mistakes were made. It's these mistakes that have let Bamber protest his innocence for 30 years and is why the police have been critiscised in the past.

[Jan]

It's a generalisation Jan, not sure why you should take it personally but it's a common feature here of late.

I wasn't - if its a generalisation it includes a lot of people  - I thought you were having a go at the poster.

[Jane]

Excuse me? I don't think that is the case - I think that is a real insult to people intelligence.

Is that the reason you were such a supporter then - because of his looks?

Well, I'm going to hold my hands up and admit that I found it very hard to accept that a good looking guy, with a similar upbringing and education to my own, ALSO adopted to boot, could POSSIBLY massacre his family. I doubt that I'm the only one.

[Caroline]

I wasn't - if its a generalisation it includes a lot of people  - I thought you were having a go at the poster.

People always think I'm having a go - they're usually wrong. But it was indeed a generalisation. I also think a lot of people might have been convinced by Crimes That Shook Britain - that's what first struck my attention. But just for the record, he's defo NOT my type.

[lookout]

I'm also going to hold my hands up by saying that murderers hail from all walks of life including what you've just mentioned April and not just the poor and deprived areas known as sink estates. Mental illness knows no bounds.

[Jane]

I'm also going to hold my hands up by saying that murderers hail from all walks of life including what you've just mentioned April and not just the poor and deprived areas known as sink estates. Mental illness knows no bounds.

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But I wasn't suggesting that Jeremy was mentally ill.

[Caroline]

I'm also going to hold my hands up by saying that murderers hail from all walks of life including what you've just mentioned April and not just the poor and deprived areas known as sink estates. Mental illness knows no bounds.

Well said Lookout! I agree. See, you're not 'always' wrong