The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Caroline]

It was the 2nd of the two rifles which were used. The one which was found on Sheila's body ?
The one with the broken stock was in the kitchen.

Posting proof of such claims, is always helpful?

[lookout]

Didn't you lot study these things before you decided it was all a figment of everyones imagination ?

Surely your memory isn't impaired after 2 years ?

[Caroline]

Didn't you lot study these things before you decided it was all a figment of everyones imagination ?

Surely your memory isn't impaired after 2 years ?

I don't believe anything without proof - but that's just me and I've NEVER seen ANY proof.

[Caroline]

I don't believe anything without proof - but that's just me and I've NEVER seen ANY proof.

Claims without proof ARE just figments.

[lookout]

I'm surprised you didn't argue the toss when you thought he was innocent ? Surely you must have queried the piece of broken butt with the blood on it which was found in the kitchen ? Or even the phony way that rifle no.2 was placed on top of Sheila's body in the bedroom ? Selective memory,perhaps ?

[Caroline]

I'm surprised you didn't argue the toss when you thought he was innocent ? Surely you must have queried the piece of broken butt with the blood on it which was found in the kitchen ? Or even the phony way that rifle no.2 was placed on top of Sheila's body in the bedroom ? Selective memory,perhaps ?

I was only interested in the facts Lookout, not in the 'invention' of another rifle. I agree that the rifle was staged on Sheila's body - it was staged by Jeremy.

[lookout]

 It's no surprise that those who KNEW Jeremy personally say that he's innocent.
What of the rest,including us here,who'd never met,nor knew him at all only what we've read,mainly about those who DIDN'T know him,put him at a very unfair advantage in the beginning as not much was known about him in the area where he lived,or indeed his family come to that.

This thought has come about since from today,every person,96 of those involved in the Hillsborough tragedy,are going to be " under the microscope " . Something I'd like to have seen happen regarding those who gave Jeremy a bad time during the WHF murders. Just a thought.

[Caroline]

It's no surprise that those who KNEW Jeremy personally say that he's innocent.
What of the rest,including us here,who'd never met,nor knew him at all only what we've read,mainly about those who DIDN'T know him,put him at a very unfair advantage in the beginning as not much was known about him in the area where he lived,or indeed his family come to that.

This thought has come about since from today,every person,96 of those involved in the Hillsborough tragedy,are going to be " under the microscope " . Something I'd like to have seen happen regarding those who gave Jeremy a bad time during the WHF murders. Just a thought.

Like who? Those who KNEW him, testified against him! I think you'll find he was well known in the area and so were the family.

[lookout]

N.B. The type of people who didn't/don't like him,Jeremy. Or were quick to judge,including the cops.

  For instance,the first man to be scrutinised from the Hillsborough disaster was 18 years of age who had a 9 month old child. How many will judge this man.??

[Caroline]

N.B. The type of people who didn't/don't like him,Jeremy. Or were quick to judge,including the cops.

  For instance,the first man to be scrutinised from the Hillsborough disaster was 18 years of age who had a 9 month old child. How many will judge this man.??

Who are ALL the people that you suggest think he's innocent?

Hillsborough has nothing to do with this case.

[lookout]

I was only interested in the facts Lookout, not in the 'invention' of another rifle. I agree that the rifle was staged on Sheila's body - it was staged by Jeremy.

Your theories are becoming more and more absurd," it was staged by Jeremy "  . When it was the photographer and also part of the investigation to fathom out/re-enact how THEY,EP,thought it had happened.
Of course there has to be movement at a crime scene,or how else are they to figure it out unless they themselves " stage the scene ".There would have been an on the scene as it happened set of photographs,then there'd have been " staged " ones,deliberately done by EP as I explained.  Nothing sinister or suspicious in that,except that most think it had been done on purpose by either EP or Jeremy.

[lookout]

There was NO conspiracy.NO framing. Both put Jeremy in a bad light and don't do him any favours at all.

[lookout]

It was all down to shoddy workmanship on behalf of the EP and other professionals who were involved.

[Caroline]

Your theories are becoming more and more absurd," it was staged by Jeremy "  . When it was the photographer and also part of the investigation to fathom out/re-enact how THEY,EP,thought it had happened.
Of course there has to be movement at a crime scene,or how else are they to figure it out unless they themselves " stage the scene ".There would have been an on the scene as it happened set of photographs,then there'd have been " staged " ones,deliberately done by EP as I explained.  Nothing sinister or suspicious in that,except that most think it had been done on purpose by either EP or Jeremy.

If we're being 'frank and rude' Lookout - your theories have always been absurd and have no basis in reality. There would have been 'staged crime scene pictures'? That's utter rubbish  . It makes no sense but I won't explain why - I'll let you figure that out.

Still waiting for the list of people who knew Jeremy and who believe he's innocent??

[lookout]

If we're being 'frank and rude' Lookout - your theories have always been absurd and have no basis in reality. There would have been 'staged crime scene pictures'? That's utter rubbish  . It makes no sense but I won't explain why - I'll let you figure that out.

Still waiting for the list of people who knew Jeremy and who believe he's innocent??

You'll find a list on the O S site. We've also had AA on here who's known him for years. It depends where you look. I realise it's limited for those who KNOW he's guilty.
I don't believe that the testimonials were even looked at in court,let alone read out. There are plenty who do believe he's innocent and has suffered a terrible MOJ. Don't you think it odd that so much is surrounding this case since 1985 ? Haven't you ever questioned why that is ?
Of course you're entitled to your own, as well as others,opinions,the same as I am to mine,but finding proof of his innocence is sparse in comparison to the TONS of " proof " of his guilt,because the media,internet etc have force-fed dodgy facts which people choose to believe as the truth.It's up to them of course. The truth is difficult when there's nothing to go on except word of mouth.

It's not rubbish that a crime scene gets disturbed by re-enacting the crime.How else are the police going to try and find out what happened ? I'm sure they're not going to stand there scratching their heads.
EP would have imagined what had happened using staging,moving various objects,etc.
Do you think that they'd have left Neville as he was found ? No,they'd move him to a more" comfortable" position,which wouldn't have been how he was found initially.