The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Jane]

The numbers I quoted from that letter--------3.3.57 = although from the Bible it's 3.3.5 :

Jesus replied," Very truly I tell you, no-one can see the Kingdom of God unless they are born again "

"How can someone be born when they are old ?" Nicodemus asked " Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother's womb to be born !"

Jesus answered " Very truly I tell you, no-one can enter the Kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

From the NIV. Holy Bible.

Could be someone's birthday. March 3rd 1957.

[lookout]

Could be someone's birthday. March 3rd 1957.

I thought that too,so I'll try and find out.

[Caroline]

The numbers I quoted from that letter--------3.3.57 = although from the Bible it's 3.3.5 :

Jesus replied," Very truly I tell you, no-one can see the Kingdom of God unless they are born again "

"How can someone be born when they are old ?" Nicodemus asked " Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother's womb to be born !"

Jesus answered " Very truly I tell you, no-one can enter the Kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

From the NIV. Holy Bible.

How does 3.3.57 end up being 3.3.5? If you have to change it to make it fit something then the something you're trying to fit in, is obviously wrong! So the bible reference you have posted, means nothing.

[Caroline]

Doesn't REALLY fit with the sharp dresser, the guy who was so well groomed he even coloured his hair, the party animal, the Champagne quaffing Hooray Henry man about town image, all of which required funds. I'd have described him as VERY high maintenance.

Well said April, this is more like the Jeremy we all know and ........ well, know.

[guest154]

How does 3.3.57 end up being 3.3.5? If you have to change it to make it fit something then the something you're trying to fit in, is obviously wrong! So the bible reference you have posted, means nothing.

Anything can be bent to fit, if you try hard enough. I don't see how it can become a bible verse. Did someone accidentally wrtie the number 57?   

[lookout]

 Yes,anything can be bent to fit,such as the truth from EP and their way of handling it.

What you do to find out what something means,is jiggle it about,such as the numbers 3.3.57. You work on 3.3.5 which takes you to the Bible verses. It's looking for something significant not being bloody childish by saying it can be bent to fit. It's got nothing to do with making anything fit the way you want it to.
Ever heard of process of elimination ? You should try it sometime instead of nit-picking MY POSTS !!

I don't know what the damn numbers are,or mean. Why not you have a go ? Silly me,you're not interested unless it's Jeremy bashing.

[guest154]

Yes,anything can be bent to fit,such as the truth from EP and their way of handling it.

What you do to find out what something means,is jiggle it about,such as the numbers 3.3.57. You work on 3.3.5 which takes you to the Bible verses. It's looking for something significant not being bloody childish by saying it can be bent to fit. It's got nothing to do with making anything fit the way you want it to.
Ever heard of process of elimination ? You should try it sometime instead of nit-picking MY POSTS !!

I don't know what the damn numbers are,or mean. Why not you have a go ? Silly me,you're not interested unless it's Jeremy bashing.

Calm down. 

I don't know what it means. It's likely as April said, someones birthday. But it obviously doesn't mean 3.3.5

[Caroline]

Yes,anything can be bent to fit,such as the truth from EP and their way of handling it.

What you do to find out what something means,is jiggle it about,such as the numbers 3.3.57. You work on 3.3.5 which takes you to the Bible verses. It's looking for something significant not being bloody childish by saying it can be bent to fit. It's got nothing to do with making anything fit the way you want it to.
Ever heard of process of elimination ? You should try it sometime instead of nit-picking MY POSTS !!

I don't know what the damn numbers are,or mean. Why not you have a go ? Silly me,you're not interested unless it's Jeremy bashing.

But what you've done is drop the 7, which now means it's completely different to what is originally written. Why not drop one of the 3's or the 5? If you have to change it to make it fit, it's like shaving the corners of a square block to make it fit a round hole - it will fit in the end but it's longer the same block.

[Jane]

Yes,anything can be bent to fit,such as the truth from EP and their way of handling it.

What you do to find out what something means,is jiggle it about,such as the numbers 3.3.57. You work on 3.3.5 which takes you to the Bible verses. It's looking for something significant not being bloody childish by saying it can be bent to fit. It's got nothing to do with making anything fit the way you want it to.
Ever heard of process of elimination ? You should try it sometime instead of nit-picking MY POSTS !!

I don't know what the damn numbers are,or mean. Why not you have a go ? Silly me,you're not interested unless it's Jeremy bashing.

Just a thought, Lookout. Before you spend loads of time working out what the letter means wouldn't it be a good idea for both you AND Jeremy to find out if it's for real or yet another scam.

[lookout]

But what you've done is drop the 7, which now means it's completely different to what is originally written. Why not drop one of the 3's or the 5? If you have to change it to make it fit, it's like shaving the corners of a square block to make it fit a round hole - it will fit in the end but it's longer the same block.

I've manipulated it like EP did with the real truth of what happened at WHF.
What's wrong in trying to see how it fits in with anything ?
What does it matter to you when you say it's fake anyway ?

At least I'm trying to figure things out which is more than anyone else is doing.

[Caroline]

I've manipulated it like EP did with the real truth of what happened at WHF.
What's wrong in trying to see how it fits in with anything ?
What does it matter to you when you say it's fake anyway ?

At least I'm trying to figure things out which is more than anyone else is doing.

All I am saying Lookout, is that if you have to change something in order to make it fit, then the result will be incorrect.

[Jan]

that reminds me of the police clock that was 10 minutes wrong - or was it ?

And the wordings of the logs - ambiguous -" in conversation with "  which apparently does not mean "in conversation with" at all

the rifle at the window - apparently not a rifle after all?

just saying.

[Caroline]

that reminds me of the police clock that was 10 minutes wrong - or was it ?

And the wordings of the logs - ambiguous -" in conversation with "  which apparently does not mean "in conversation with" at all

the rifle at the window - apparently not a rifle after all?

just saying.

West said it wasn't 10 mins fast - I believe him
The wordings of the logs are indeed ambiguous but when you think the words were being relayed to a third party not at the scene, it's not surprising.
Not sure how adamant Jeapes was about it being rifle - and maybe it was but it doesn't mean it was 'thee' rifle.

[lookout]

 It was the 2nd of the two rifles which were used. The one which was found on Sheila's body ?
The one with the broken stock was in the kitchen.

[Caroline]

West said it wasn't 10 mins fast - I believe him
The wordings of the logs are indeed ambiguous but when you think the words were being relayed to a third party not at the scene, it's not surprising.
Not sure how adamant Jeapes was about it being rifle - and maybe it was but it doesn't mean it was 'thee' rifle.

I must just add that given the situation (siege), they would all be alerted to danger - seeing something that looked like a rifle would make the notion that it WAS a rifle all the more certain in their minds.