The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Caroline]

who is suposed to have taken these photos.

Only Sheila would know that.

[nugnug]

well and the person who took them.

[Caroline]

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i am saying i dont belive the hardcore ones exist.

nobodys seen them.

So you think Jeremy is lying? (Again), It doesn't matter whether or not they exist, if they don't, then Jeremy must have being trying to extort money from a Journalist. Either way, he USED his dead sister to do it.

[Caroline]

well and the person who took them.

And that isn't known - they're hardly going to rush forward are they?

[susan]

And that isn't known - they're hardly going to rush forward are they?

Hi Caroline

I seem to think 3 sets of pictures existed ones Colin took some that a friend took but were never used then the explicit ones that Jeremy removed from the flat.  Need to get the book out again Yes three sets existed the ones he found at the flat other than ones he had taken were glamour type nude photo's that would be used in a mens mag but they were test shots and never used and indeed taken by a friend.

[nugnug]

And that isn't known - they're hardly going to rush forward are they?

why not if thats what they do for a living its not ilgal to take those sort of photos.

[Jane]

And that isn't known - they're hardly going to rush forward are they?

No, they're certainly not, Caroline. I said I could give numerous reasons why. The first that comes to mind is that the photographer MAY have had the hots for Sheila and been married to a friend of hers. Hardly, under those circumstances, likely to admit his involvement. He may have been taking the photographs as payment for drugs he'd provided her with. Hardly likely to admit his involvement with that, is he? It maybe that taking porny pics was a sideline to his legitimate work. Unlikely to want his cover blown there, is he?

As you say, whoEVER took the pictures, they're not likely to want to put their name to them. There are FAR more reasons for them keeping quiet than owning up.

[Adam]

Sheila was a model. So is bound to have pictures in her flat.

Models need a portfolio when applying for modelling jobs.

Jeremy was making himself at home in his new London base, after the Amsterdam, Burnham and funeral spending sprees. So not surprising he found the photos.

It is not surprising he tried to sell them. He thought he could make good money and Brett had contacts. The wills and Sotherbys sale off's were months away.

The Sun published a front page story and Fielding repeated it 20 years later. Both had a lot to lose by lying.

Everything fits.
 

[SaraT]

I posted the transcript from the video Nugs and there was nothing in what he said that was remotely illegal. I'll post it again. I have highlighted what Jeremy told the reporter about what the pictures depicted.

"We got a call from Jeremy Bamber's friend, Brett Collins; saying that Jeremy Bamber had some photographs to sell of his late sister and would 'we' The Sun newspaper, be interested in buying them. It was a bizarre situation. We were in an oldy worldy pub and we were talking about the photo's, what were they and what did they show? There was apparently shots with a vibrator and with a cucumber being used as a sex toy. Erm and would The Sun be interested in buying them? He said “well we want cash and would like to conclude this every quickly.” I never did see the photographs, whether they did exist or not, I don't know, I reported back to the office what the situation was and got a message back from the editor saying “Turn the bastard over” We ran the story the next day saying “Jeremy Bamber Tries to Sell Pornographic Pictures of his Sister.”

I was applauded, you know, you've got this very cool young man, completely unperturbed by the facts of the situation. The massacre, these dead people that had given him a home and he seemed completely unconcerned about them. He talked about Bambi particularly as an inanimate object, you know, it wasn't a sister that he had known and loved. He seemed completely unconcerned about these people. He wanted money and he wanted it quick."

Assuming that any of this actually happened, I wonder at which point after agreeing to a meeting and showing interested in buying pictures of a recently deceased woman did this guy decide he could take the moral high ground?

[Caroline]

No, they're certainly not, Caroline. I said I could give numerous reasons why. The first that comes to mind is that the photographer MAY have had the hots for Sheila and been married to a friend of hers. Hardly, under those circumstances, likely to admit his involvement. He may have been taking the photographs as payment for drugs he'd provided her with. Hardly likely to admit his involvement with that, is he? It maybe that taking porny pics was a sideline to his legitimate work. Unlikely to want his cover blown there, is he?

As you say, whoEVER took the pictures, they're not likely to want to put their name to them. There are FAR more reasons for them keeping quiet than owning up.

Well, said April, the person may even be dead by now. I don't know what more evidence people want - it's obvious that Jeremy tried to sell them to The Sun, it doesn't matter who took them or even if they existed at all - what matters is that Jeremy tried to acquire money by using his dead sister without a thought for her memory. If the pictures don't exist, the only liar is Jeremy, because he described them to two people and tried to sell them to one of them!

[Adam]

The pictures must exist. As I said Sheila needed a portfolio of pictures for modelling job applications. People keep pictures anyway. It has been known.

The only place the pictures would be, was in Sheila's flat. Jeremy had unlimited access to this.

Jeremy would not waste his time mentioning pictures that did not exist. He would get no money.

[Caroline]

Assuming that any of this actually happened, I wonder at which point after agreeing to a meeting and showing interested in buying pictures of a recently deceased woman did this guy decide he could take the moral high ground?

He only found out what the pictures showed at the meeting but as far as 'moral high  ground' goes, this just goes to show what kind of person Bamber is. People can argue this didn't happen until they're blue in the face but it's screamingly obvious that it did - it's corroborated by Colin if people don't believe the journalist.

[Jane]

Assuming that any of this actually happened, I wonder at which point after agreeing to a meeting and showing interested in buying pictures of a recently deceased woman did this guy decide he could take the moral high ground?

The "when" hardly matters. It may have been pure business acumen that made them decide they could make MORE by appearing to take the moral high ground that by publishing heavily edited pictures.

[Adam]

If he didn't have pictures, he may have used it as bait to entice a meeting with a Sun journalist. He could then offer his life story to them, which I understand he also did. Prior to his NOTW offer.

[susan]

If he didn't have pictures, he may have used it as bait to entice a meeting with a Sun journalist. He could then offer his life story to them, which I understand he also did. Prior to his NOTW offer.

Adam if he did'ent have the pictures why tell Colin he had what would be the point.