The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Adam]

   What is really required Adam, is further sources that Jeremy did try to sell pictures to the Sun. With only the Sun as a source the allegation cannot be taken too seriously.
     Before the Barry George trial the Sun printed a number of "stories" about George that were clearly in contempt of court. Among the various allegations made by the Sun was the claim that Barry George had an obsession with Jill Dando and that he had many pictures of her and articles about her. This story can only have come from the investigating police and it appears to be an attempt to influence a trial by smearing the suspect.
     The supposed obsession was obviously nothing of the sort and the Sun story was so different to the actual truth as to be laughable.
    Barry George had hoarded over a number of years hundreds of magazines and newspapers. Jill Dando appeared in only a handful of them. There was no suggestion of George gathering or saving articles about Jill Dando, but obviously as a public figure she would be in the paper sometimes.
     So the Sun, with information from the Met, printed a story that they knew to be untrue and which supported a guilty scenario. To be perfectly clear here both the Met and the Sun were pushing the same lies in collusion with each other.
     This is not even unusual and I could post about dozens of cases where the Sun has knowingly lied on behalf of the police stretching over more than 30 years.
    Fielder has no credibility as a purveyor of truth given that he made his living doing Murdoch's bidding and working on the most disreputable paper in the country.
    The Sun and the truth are strangers.

I know nothing about the Barry George case.

It does seem to fit that Jeremy approached The Sun.

DB said he spent £6,000 in Amsterdam straight after the massacre. The big champagne funeral would have cost a bit. Together with trips to Burnham, Eastbourne, London and St Tropez.

The finalising of the will and selling off of items in WHF were weeks away. Although Jeremy had taken the WHF television.

Jeremy needed ready cash to keep him going. He had pictures and Brett had contacts.

Primary sources say it happened. Jeremy has remained silent.

[David1819]

I know nothing about the Barry George case.

It does seem to fit that Jeremy approached The Sun.

DB said he spent £6,000 in Amsterdam straight after the massacre. The big champagne funeral would have cost a bit. Together with trips to Burnham, Eastbourne, London and St Tropez.

The finalising of the will and selling off of items in WHF were weeks away. Although Jeremy had taken the WHF television.

Jeremy needed ready cash to keep him going. He had pictures and Brett had contacts.

Primary sources say it happened. Jeremy has remained silent.

I wonder how long the £500,000 would have lasted if he got away?

[Caroline]

There is another reason why I believe the reporter. He didn't say Jeremy approached him, he said Brett Collins did. It's obvious that he would know who Jeremy Bamber was BUT how would he know who Brett Collins was?

[gringo]

I know nothing about the Barry George case.

It does seem to fit that Jeremy approached The Sun.

DB said he spent £6,000 in Amsterdam straight after the massacre. The big champagne funeral would have cost a bit. Together with trips to Burnham, Eastbourne, London and St Tropez.

The finalising of the will and selling off of items in WHF were weeks away. Although Jeremy had taken the WHF television.

Jeremy needed ready cash to keep him going. He had pictures and Brett had contacts.

Primary sources say it happened. Jeremy has remained silent.

   The reason that I brought up the Barry George case was because of the clear collusion in that case between the Sun and the police in getting negative and untrue stories in the press to influence opinion against someone charged but not yet tried for the crime. He was convicted on a majority verdict before the conviction was overturned on retrial after the inevitable first failed appeal.
     There are many examples similar to this throughout the years and the Sun's involvement with the police in corruption and outright criminality is well documented and not disputed.
     I think it unlikely that Jeremy did approach the Sun. Given the proven track record of the Sun smearing charged person's using duplicity and lies on behalf of the police, it would seem more sensible to accept that any allegation made by the Sun requires further corroboration before being entertained seriously. The Sun's proven track record of of using exactly this kind of tactic should cause even those who believe Bamber guilty to treat any claim by the Sun with caution.
     
    It also stretches credulity that anyone would be stupid enough to attempt to sell pornographic pictures of their own sister after supposedly murdering her and the rest of the family. It would be a helpful story pre trial though and useful early propaganda to influence opinion ahead of the trial.
   Relying on stories in the Sun is never going to be a strong argument.

[gringo]

There is another reason why I believe the reporter. He didn't say Jeremy approached him, he said Brett Collins did. It's obvious that he would know who Jeremy Bamber was BUT how would he know who Brett Collins was?

   He would have known who Brett Collins was. This was the most sensational story of the time and Sun reporters would have been using all of their contacts(eg. the police) to find every angle they could. You cannot seriously be suggesting that a Sun hack would not easily find out who Jeremy's friends and associates were.
     Do you really believe that Fielder would not have known about Brett Collins?

[David1819]

   The reason that I brought up the Barry George case was because of the clear collusion in that case between the Sun and the police in getting negative and untrue stories in the press to influence opinion against someone charged but not yet tried for the crime. He was convicted on a majority verdict before the conviction was overturned on retrial after the inevitable first failed appeal.
     There are many examples similar to this throughout the years and the Sun's involvement with the police in corruption and outright criminality is well documented and not disputed.
     I think it unlikely that Jeremy did approach the Sun. Given the proven track record of the Sun smearing charged person's using duplicity and lies on behalf of the police, it would seem more sensible to accept that any allegation made by the Sun requires further corroboration before being entertained seriously. The Sun's proven track record of of using exactly this kind of tactic should cause even those who believe Bamber guilty to treat any claim by the Sun with caution.
     
    It also stretches credulity that anyone would be stupid enough to attempt to sell pornographic pictures of their own sister after supposedly murdering her and the rest of the family. It would be a helpful story pre trial though and useful early propaganda to influence opinion ahead of the trial.
   Relying on stories in the Sun is never going to be a strong argument.

Good point. If Jeremy did approach the sun maybe the photos where not as explicit as the paper claimed. They may not have been explicit at all

[gringo]

Good point. If Jeremy did approach the sun maybe the photos where not as explicit as the paper claimed. They may not have been explicit at all

  Given the "form" of the Sun, I think it more likely that they were initiating contacts.
    If there were explicit photos then attempting to sell them to the Sun whilst hoping to avoid suspicion for her murder is so unbelievable that it is very likely untrue.
    Regardless of whether you believe in guilt or innocence it should be obvious that this allegation is probably false.

[Adam]

It seems The Sun deliberately lied on their front page. Kicking a then 'innocent' man when he's down. And risking libel action from a soon to be rich man.

Fielding then lied 20 years later for the cameras. Quite why he would need to do this, I don't know. Bamber had been locked up for 20 years.

As Nugs said, the police got The Sun to publish a false story.

The conspiracy widens.

[Caroline]

Good point. If Jeremy did approach the sun maybe the photos where not as explicit as the paper claimed. They may not have been explicit at all

The  documentary described 'explicit' photographs and Colin recounts when Jeremy told him of finding explicit photographs. Not sure what more evidence you need to be sure that Jeremy talked about explicit pictures?

[Caroline]

   He would have known who Brett Collins was. This was the most sensational story of the time and Sun reporters would have been using all of their contacts(eg. the police) to find every angle they could. You cannot seriously be suggesting that a Sun hack would not easily find out who Jeremy's friends and associates were.
     Do you really believe that Fielder would not have known about Brett Collins?

What I am saying is, it is VERY unlikely that The Sun would have mentioned Brett Collins by name. Sensationalist stories what have no basis in reality usually start with 'The Sun has learned from a friend of the family' . Unless they want to set themselves up for lying, you don't use names.

[Caroline]

   The reason that I brought up the Barry George case was because of the clear collusion in that case between the Sun and the police in getting negative and untrue stories in the press to influence opinion against someone charged but not yet tried for the crime. He was convicted on a majority verdict before the conviction was overturned on retrial after the inevitable first failed appeal.
     There are many examples similar to this throughout the years and the Sun's involvement with the police in corruption and outright criminality is well documented and not disputed.
     I think it unlikely that Jeremy did approach the Sun. Given the proven track record of the Sun smearing charged person's using duplicity and lies on behalf of the police, it would seem more sensible to accept that any allegation made by the Sun requires further corroboration before being entertained seriously. The Sun's proven track record of of using exactly this kind of tactic should cause even those who believe Bamber guilty to treat any claim by the Sun with caution.
     
    It also stretches credulity that anyone would be stupid enough to attempt to sell pornographic pictures of their own sister after supposedly murdering her and the rest of the family. It would be a helpful story pre trial though and useful early propaganda to influence opinion ahead of the trial.
   Relying on stories in the Sun is never going to be a strong argument.

You don't just have to rely on The Sun as corroboration, you have Colin's word that Jeremy spoke of explicit photographs or was he part of the grand conspiracy and propaganda machine too? The pictures clearly existed and The Sun found out about them. Of course it would be incredibly stupid to try and sell pictures of your dead sister after having just killed her - so what? Just because it's stupid doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Caroline]

It seems The Sun deliberately lied on their front page. Kicking a then 'innocent' man when he's down. And risking libel action from a soon to be rich man.

Fielding then lied 20 years later for the cameras. Quite why he would need to do this, I don't know. Bamber had been locked up for 20 years.

As Nugs said, the police got The Sun to publish a false story.

The conspiracy widens.

They risked a double libel case, from both Jeremy and Brett Colins, thing is, neither of them have denied approaching The Sun and Colin stated that Jeremy mentioned explicit pictures to him too. I certainly don't believe for one moment that The Sun would mention Brett Colins out of the blue and I can't buy that the police would frame Jeremy Bamber and risk being front page headlines themselves. Approaching The Sun and asking them to write a bogus story about a young man who had lost his entire family in a horrific and tragic murder would be even sillier than Bamber approaching them. There would be nothing to stop The Sun blowing the whistle on EP which would likely warrant an investigation and then whatever 'BIG SECRET' prompted their framing of Bamber wouldn't be secret for long. 

The list of contributors to the conspiracy grows by the day and the list of liars is endless and we're meant to believe that among them all, only one man remains honourable - Jeremy?

[Jane]

You don't just have to rely on The Sun as corroboration, you have Colin's word that Jeremy spoke of explicit photographs or was he part of the grand conspiracy and propaganda machine too? The pictures clearly existed and The Sun found out about them. Of course it would be incredibly stupid to try and sell pictures of your dead sister after having just killed her - so what? Just because it's stupid doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Stupid, in this case, possibly meaning he was riding so high on the wave of his brilliant success in pulling off the perfect crime that I imagine he thought he was untouchable.

[David1819]

Stupid, in this case, possibly meaning he was riding so high on the wave of his brilliant success in pulling off the perfect crime that I imagine he thought he was untouchable.

No It's all part of the vast conspiracy against Saint Jeremy

[Jane]

No It's all part of the vast conspiracy against Saint Jeremy

Silly me. Of COURSE it is