The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[Caroline]

Hello Jan

just looked in Colin's book and the nude photo's of Sheila which had been taken at WHF were found by Jeremy in a drawer at WHF he took them and said June probably found them at Sheila's flat and took them so she could use them as a hold on her if need be. Jeremy told Colin he had Sheila's portfolio at Goldhanger and he wanted to keep the "famous" ones himself. Colin found slides of nude Sheila but they were test shots and Jeremy was gloating (his words not mine) over Colin's shoulder that he had much more revealing shots and you see everything down to the last detail and laughed.  Colin said he found Jeremy's behaviour very distasteful looking and talking about nude photo's of his dead sister. Jeremy did admit having the photo's so   sad I think.

Cheers Susan!! Proof enough!!

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Oh dear.

[scipio_usmc]

Hello Jan

just looked in Colin's book and the nude photo's of Sheila which had been taken at WHF were found by Jeremy in a drawer at WHF he took them and said June probably found them at Sheila's flat and took them so she could use them as a hold on her if need be. Jeremy told Colin he had Sheila's portfolio at Goldhanger and he wanted to keep the "famous" ones himself. Colin found slides of nude Sheila but they were test shots and Jeremy was gloating (his words not mine) over Colin's shoulder that he had much more revealing shots and you see everything down to the last detail and laughed.  Colin said he found Jeremy's behaviour very distasteful looking and talking about nude photo's of his dead sister. Jeremy did admit having the photo's so   sad I think.

Who told Colin this though?  The problem with Colin's book is that many things in it are claims he heard from others- sometimes the claims are true other times they are not. The only way to know which are accurate is to figure out where he heard it from and try to trace if the source was correct.  Things he claims to have personally witnessed are on sounder footing though it still amounts to his interpretation of things so we must remember that.

[susan]

Who told Colin this though?  The problem with Colin's book is that many things in it are claims he heard from others- sometimes the claims are true other times they are not. The only way to know which are accurate is to figure out where he heard it from and try to trace if the source was correct.  Things he claims to have personally witnessed are on sounder footing though it still amounts to his interpretation of things so we must remember that.

Hello Scipio this was a conversation held between Colin and Jeremy when Colin went to Sheila's flat to collect his boys belongings and personal photo's of Sheila.  I just cannot see what Colin would have to gain by making this up as on the whole he does not speak badly of Jeremy in the book at all and Colin was the only one with nothing to gain and he does come over as a decent guy.  Most of what he says in the book was told to him by Sheila and Jeremy guess the relatives told him stuff but they had a financial interest in this case Colin did'ent.

[scipio_usmc]

Hello Scipio this was a conversation held between Colin and Jeremy when Colin went to Sheila's flat to collect his boys belongings and personal photo's of Sheila.  I just cannot see what Colin would have to gain by making this up as on the whole he does not speak badly of Jeremy in the book at all and Colin was the only one with nothing to gain and he does come over as a decent guy.  Most of what he says in the book was told to him by Sheila and Jeremy guess the relatives told him stuff but they had a financial interest in this case Colin did'ent.

It is not a matter of whether he lied it is a matter of whether he was lied to or misinterpreted what he was told.  Maybe Jeremy told him the truth, maybe Jeremy lied in order to try mitigating the damage by claiming Brett never saw the photos. Other occasions Jeremy lied to get Colin on his side.  Despite the fact Jeremy could have lied it sounds like it might have been the truth.

[Caroline]

Who told Colin this though?  The problem with Colin's book is that many things in it are claims he heard from others- sometimes the claims are true other times they are not. The only way to know which are accurate is to figure out where he heard it from and try to trace if the source was correct.  Things he claims to have personally witnessed are on sounder footing though it still amounts to his interpretation of things so we must remember that.

Jeremy.

[Caroline]

It is not a matter of whether he lied it is a matter of whether he was lied to or misinterpreted what he was told.  Maybe Jeremy told him the truth, maybe Jeremy lied in order to try mitigating the damage by claiming Brett never saw the photos. Other occasions Jeremy lied to get Colin on his side.  Despite the fact Jeremy could have lied it sounds like it might have been the truth.

The point is, that Jeremy told Colin about explicit photographs of his sister and said the same thing to the journalist. I think it's pretty clear that he did indeed try to sell said pictures.

[susan]

It is not a matter of whether he lied it is a matter of whether he was lied to or misinterpreted what he was told.  Maybe Jeremy told him the truth, maybe Jeremy lied in order to try mitigating the damage by claiming Brett never saw the photos. Other occasions Jeremy lied to get Colin on his side.  Despite the fact Jeremy could have lied it sounds like it might have been the truth.

Scipio why would Jeremy have a need to tell lies to Colin about the explicit photo's Colin did not know about them until Jeremy told him.  Brett was not mentioned but Jeremy made it clear he had the photo's at Goldhanger and he was keeping them.  One would have to ask themselves is this normal behaviour of a young guy actually even wanting to see explicit pictures of his dead sister the Mother of the wee boys no he should have been more than happy to give them to her ex husband to dispose of but I guess he had different ideas what he wanted to do with them.  Quite disgraceful in my eyes and sick.

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio why would Jeremy have a need to tell lies to Colin about the explicit photo's Colin did not know about them until Jeremy told him.  Brett was not mentioned but Jeremy made it clear he had the photo's at Goldhanger and he was keeping them.  One would have to ask themselves is this normal behaviour of a young guy actually even wanting to see explicit pictures of his dead sister the Mother of the wee boys no he should have been more than happy to give them to her ex husband to dispose of but I guess he had different ideas what he wanted to do with them.  Quite disgraceful in my eyes and sick.

From the standpoint of her being murdered it is quite scummy to want to sell the photos and not being respectful to the dead.  She wasn't his biological brother so looking at the photos and not disposing of them is not as sick as would be the case if they were biological siblings and he had some incestuous fantasies he was using them for.

[Caroline]

From the standpoint of her being murdered it is quite scummy to want to sell the photos and not being respectful to the dead.  She wasn't his biological brother so looking at the photos and not disposing of them is not as sick as would be the case if they were biological siblings and he had some incestuous fantasies he was using them for.

I think it's just as sick, biological or not, she had grown up with him and she had just died - murdered by him. It's totally disrespectful and another indicator of his lack of empathy and remorse.

[Caroline]

Scipio why would Jeremy have a need to tell lies to Colin about the explicit photo's Colin did not know about them until Jeremy told him.  Brett was not mentioned but Jeremy made it clear he had the photo's at Goldhanger and he was keeping them.  One would have to ask themselves is this normal behaviour of a young guy actually even wanting to see explicit pictures of his dead sister the Mother of the wee boys no he should have been more than happy to give them to her ex husband to dispose of but I guess he had different ideas what he wanted to do with them.  Quite disgraceful in my eyes and sick.

Totally agree Susan and how he thought he could sell explicit pictures to a newspaper it totally naive on his part. They can't publish explicit photographs so he was nailed from the off. Obviously the £££££ signs were flashing and (again) he didn't think it through.

[susan]

I think it's just as sick, biological or not, she had grown up with him and she had just died - murdered by him. It's totally disrespectful and another indicator of his lack of empathy and remorse.

Caroline I was just going to respond in a similar manner IMO even if Sheila had been his biological sister it would have made no difference they were brought up together from being babies and were brother and sister as far as they were concerned.  His behaviour to Colin with regard to these photo's was not normal at all he really freaked Colin out by his behaviour disgusting in my eyes.

[Jan]

I also read that June found some pics in a drawer at WHF. They must have sent her off-balance too.

Jan,in some " weird letters " ( which weren't written by Sheila ) there's mention of photo's and the Sun newspaper and other peculiar things. There's only one other person who referred to the word " darlings ",and that was June,so it was she who wrote the letters.
At the time,they didn't mean anything,but I took copies and have them somewhere.

I think they a "false" if you know what I mean

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I think they a "false" if you know what I mean

I'm not so sure,Jan. I'm keeping them in mind anyway,as part of it mentions Vincent,and that's the Christian name of the psychiatrist Professor Egan.

[Jan]

Cheers Susan!! Proof enough!!

Yes that's what I said - June had some photos of Sheila  and I remember Colin saying he thought they had been kept for a reason - so Susan has agreed with what I said.

I never said there were not photos in existence.

I think elsewhere in the book he also said ( not in a creepy way ) that Jeremy used to be proud of his sisters model photos and would show his friends. And they were not pornographic before you misinterpret that comment.