The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[nugnug]

do you know anything about the history of the sun paper yes thats exactly what implying jeremys case is not the only one i can point to a fair few.

[Caroline]

do you know anything about the history of the sun paper yes thats exactly what implying jeremys case is not the only one i can point to a fair few.

Of course I do and STILL the notion that the police, the family, his girlfriend, his friends, the sun newspaper etc. ALL conspired to frame Bamber is completely absurd. It doesn't make sense and it didn't happen. However, it someone can supply ONE GOOD REASON why this happened, at least that MIGHT go some distance to making the notion possible. It's really not enough or even feasible to suggest that 'something' might have happened during the raid, without mentioning what that 'something' might be because even IF the police had shot Sheila during the raid, she was a suspect with a gun who had killed 4 members of her family and the raid team would not have hesitated to shoot her if they thought she was a danger to them - there would be no need for a cover up. So what else might have occurred that would lead to all of these people lying and conspire to frame an INNOCENT man and leave him to rot in prison?

[nugnug]

the sun newspaper dont care if someones innocent or guilty of crime none of the murdoch rags and all have an unhealthy incestious relashenship with the old bill.

[lookout]

There is no getting away from it that EP were useless.

The " person seen in the window ".Was it a person,or was it a " trick of the light ?"
Were the lights on in the farmhouse,or were they off ?
Was Sheila found on the bed or not ?
Was it a rifle at the window,or not ?
Was the rifle found on Sheila,or beside her ?
Was the Bible found on her chest,or was it on the floor away from her body ?

There are loads of questions,and each newspaper that was published all had different answers to which it would only have been the police giving their story.

Because of this ongoing uncertainty,is it any wonder that the case was a dodgy one ?

Newspapers DO elaborate for the sensationalist factor which sells them. People have been awarded thousands through the tabloids/broadsheets for giving out wrong information. It's  happened often.
The McCanns,  their friends and Robert Murat.

[Caroline]

the sun newspaper dont care if someones innocent or guilty of crime none of the murdoch rags and all have an unhealthy incestious relashenship with the old bill.

So you can't think of a reason then?

[nugnug]

theres a simple reason the police wanted them to print the story.

we have allready gone through the reasons of the girlfriend and the family.

[Jan]

As far as I remember the photos were not described - but Colin (I think) did say in his book that some of them had been kept by June ? And were found after the tragedy . Not quite sure which ones they were or why she would keep them?

personally I think if there had been photos available to them they would have taken them and printed them - they never had any morals in respect of other stories - why this one.

[lookout]

I also read that June found some pics in a drawer at WHF. They must have sent her off-balance too.

Jan,in some " weird letters " ( which weren't written by Sheila ) there's mention of photo's and the Sun newspaper and other peculiar things. There's only one other person who referred to the word " darlings ",and that was June,so it was she who wrote the letters.
At the time,they didn't mean anything,but I took copies and have them somewhere.

[nugnug]

As far as I remember the photos were not described - but Colin (I think) did say in his book that some of them had been kept by June ? And were found after the tragedy . Not quite sure which ones they were or why she would keep them?

personally I think if there had been photos available to them they would have taken them and printed them - they never had any morals in respect of other stories - why this one.

they would of printed them a long with some tastless headline.

[Adam]

I am afraid Jeremy's supporters have to provide proof that The Sun lied and put it on their front page. And that Fielding lied 20 years later when interviewed on camera.

These are both primary sources of proof that the meeting happened. Jeremy has refused to discuss this. Even when asked about it.

I appreciate supporters cannot try to justify Jeremy's attempt. So will automatically say a newspaper and individuals are lying. But proof is needed.

[susan]

As far as I remember the photos were not described - but Colin (I think) did say in his book that some of them had been kept by June ? And were found after the tragedy . Not quite sure which ones they were or why she would keep them?

personally I think if there had been photos available to them they would have taken them and printed them - they never had any morals in respect of other stories - why this one.

Hello Jan

just looked in Colin's book and the nude photo's of Sheila which had been taken at WHF were found by Jeremy in a drawer at WHF he took them and said June probably found them at Sheila's flat and took them so she could use them as a hold on her if need be. Jeremy told Colin he had Sheila's portfolio at Goldhanger and he wanted to keep the "famous" ones himself. Colin found slides of nude Sheila but they were test shots and Jeremy was gloating (his words not mine) over Colin's shoulder that he had much more revealing shots and you see everything down to the last detail and laughed.  Colin said he found Jeremy's behaviour very distasteful looking and talking about nude photo's of his dead sister. Jeremy did admit having the photo's so   sad I think.

[nugnug]

I am afraid Jeremy's supporters have to provide proof that The Sun lied and put it on their front page. And that Fielding lied 20 years later when interviewed on camera.

These are both primary sources of proof that the meeting happened. Jeremy has refused to discuss this. Even when asked about it.

I appreciate supporters cannot try to justify Jeremy's attempt. So will automatically say a newspaper and individuals are lying. But proof is needed.

in dont think aany real proof is needed that the sun newspaper is lying when youve got a rupution like they have the requriment for proof isnt really needed.

[lookout]

Hello Jan

just looked in Colin's book and the nude photo's of Sheila which had been taken at WHF were found by Jeremy in a drawer at WHF he took them and said June probably found them at Sheila's flat and took them so she could use them as a hold on her if need be. Jeremy told Colin he had Sheila's portfolio at Goldhanger and he wanted to keep the "famous" ones himself. Colin found slides of nude Sheila but they were test shots and Jeremy was gloating (his words not mine) over Colin's shoulder that he had much more revealing shots and you see everything down to the last detail and laughed.  Colin said he found Jeremy's behaviour very distasteful looking and talking about nude photo's of his dead sister. Jeremy did admit having the photo's so   sad I think.

I think June did make threats over the photo's, when she mentioned going to the Sun and the police,saying they were going to call.( an excerpt from a tortured mind which was June's ) saying" God told her to do it ".

[Caroline]

As far as I remember the photos were not described - but Colin (I think) did say in his book that some of them had been kept by June ? And were found after the tragedy . Not quite sure which ones they were or why she would keep them?

personally I think if there had been photos available to them they would have taken them and printed them - they never had any morals in respect of other stories - why this one.

The photo's described in the documentary couldn't have been published because of the content so, the story about Jeremy trying to sell them for cash, made a better story. Perhaps they would have bought them had they not been as explicit as the jurno described.

[Caroline]

theres a simple reason the police wanted them to print the story.

we have allready gone through the reasons of the girlfriend and the family.

So everyone except Jeremy is lying?