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Offline David1819

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2015, 04:43:PM »
If he hadn't have opened his mouth about his father ringing him,he might not have had such a severe backlash,then perhaps the investigation would have been more thorough because nobody would have known about the sister either.

That would mean he wont be able to tell the police. And the bodies would have to be discovered by someone. How that would play out I don't know

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2015, 05:00:PM »
That would mean he wont be able to tell the police. And the bodies would have to be discovered by someone. How that would play out I don't know





He " possibly " still could have been blamed,but it would have meant EP working that bit harder to have found out. Without him as a mouthpiece.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2015, 05:02:PM »
That would mean he wont be able to tell the police. And the bodies would have to be discovered by someone. How that would play out I don't know

Far better than it did. What is worse:

A) Suspect was aware of the problem claiming he received a call that is unlikely to have occurred

B) Suspect claims to know nothing, claims to have been asleep as usual at the time of the murders

Even if they suspect him there is more evidence against him in scenario A than B.

The proof he did it as opposed to some other third party was that he knew about the problem.  Otherwise their main case against him would simply have been Julie's claims and the fact that he is the only one who would profit from the deaths.

If he could go back in time and not tell Julie and make the bodies be found in the morning that means the evidence against him would be that he was the only one who would profit.  That still could present a problem but it is still a better situation than with showing police you were aware of the murders and having Julie rat you out.

Furthermore, if he had never intended to pretend he received a phonecall he could have shot both parents as they slept.  He might have been able in that case to have prevented Nevill from reaching the kitchen and the fight from ensuing.  The fight helped implicate him in several ways including that had Sheila beaten Nevill then she would have had medium velocity impact spatter on her body and clothing.
 
Consider how much better Jeremy would have been if the following happened:

1) Jeremy managed to immobilize his parents so that there were no struggles

2) Jeremy never told Julie anything so she could not rat him out

3) Jeremy removed the moderator and left it near Sheila's body and killed her without it attached

4) The next morning he and others say something is wrong because the door is locked from the inside and no one will answer so with the help of others he breaks in and they find the bodies then call police.

What is the evidence against him?

1) the evidence of no GSR on her hands or clothing is the main evidence against her not having shot herself or loaded a rifle.  If he made her lay down when he shot her and held the gun close across her body though he would have gotten soot and GSR on her gown so even that could have been taken care of with good planning and we are using hindsight afterall.

So the physical evidence that suggests it wasn't a murder suicide would have been substantially more limited and probably not enough to even warrant a trial let alone to result in a conviction.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2015, 05:18:PM »
Are there people who committed murders for money who spent the money right away instead of waiting?  Yes plenty it would probably be a shorter list of those who didn't spend right away.

Did what seal his fate? Are you asking if being greedy thus committing the murders sealed his fate or spending lavishly after the murders did so?  Quite obviously it was the former that sealed his fate.  The lavish spending after isn't what convicted him.

By 'cash in' I mean sell their story or pictures to the press. Very soon after the massacre.

My thread posts asks if approaching The Sun sealed his fate. Which is what the narrator of the video said.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2015, 05:23:PM »
There were lots of problems in leaving the bodies there and not phoning the police.

He was first on the farm in the morning. So would have been first to discover the bodies.

Everything else would remain the same, moderator, windows, Sheila's condition, motive, no alibi etc. It's just that Bamber would not have had the chance to spend several hours creating the siege situation and insinuating Sheila beforehand.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2015, 05:34:PM »




He " possibly " still could have been blamed,but it would have meant EP working that bit harder to have found out. Without him as a mouthpiece.





He signed his own death warrant---stupid idiot. Played straight into the hands of EP.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2015, 08:15:PM »
The better story would be that Jeremy tried to sell the pictures of his dead sister. I can now see why The Sun chose to whistle blow on Jeremy as opposed to the less sensationalist story that an ex model had a few saucy pics taken at some point in her career. Why would The Sun make up a story about Jeremy, out of the blue, it had to have a basis in truth.
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2015, 08:16:PM »
Do you think The Sun made up the story and put it on their front page ? More importantly do you have proof ?

Michael Fielder must also be lying in the video.

It is believable that Jeremy approached The Sun. He was spending heavily after the massacre, instructed BW to increase his wages and didn't want to slow down.

It was a high profile case, which the media were interested in. There was the potential to get a lot of ready cash to keep him going until the inheritance.

He was probably not expecting a knock back, and certainly not expecting The Sun to grass on him.

If he could rob the caravan site, he would have not felt much remorse about selling pictures and giving his life story.

Do you have proof they didn´t?

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2015, 08:19:PM »
I didn't believe this when I thought Bamber was innocent and even recently, I questioned it. However, after watching the docu, I have to say that I think it's more than likely true. I did once ask Jeremy about this and he declined to answer. He tends to pick and choose what he replies to!

If he is a psychopath, he wouldn´t have a problem with lying to you and answer your question with a NO!  ;) ;)

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2015, 08:23:PM »
The better story would be that Jeremy tried to sell the pictures of his dead sister. I can now see why The Sun chose to whistle blow on Jeremy as opposed to the less sensationalist story that an ex model had a few saucy pics taken at some point in her career. Why would The Sun make up a story about Jeremy, out of the blue, it had to have a basis in truth.

Considering the appauling track records of Rupert Murdoch's Newspaper companies there could have been no basis in truth at all.  8)

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2015, 08:26:PM »
The better story would be that Jeremy tried to sell the pictures of his dead sister. I can now see why The Sun chose to whistle blow on Jeremy as opposed to the less sensationalist story that an ex model had a few saucy pics taken at some point in her career. Why would The Sun make up a story about Jeremy, out of the blue, it had to have a basis in truth.

To sell papers - they do it all the time those rag mags.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2015, 08:30:PM »
The better story would be that Jeremy tried to sell the pictures of his dead sister. I can now see why The Sun chose to whistle blow on Jeremy as opposed to the less sensationalist story that an ex model had a few saucy pics taken at some point in her career. Why would The Sun make up a story about Jeremy, out of the blue, it had to have a basis in truth.

well could be there cosy conections with the old bill wich have been exposed many times.

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2015, 08:45:PM »
Why would The Sun make up a story about Jeremy, out of the blue, it had to have a basis in truth.

Errm... To sell shed loads of newspapers on the back of a sensational news story?

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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2015, 08:48:PM »
This is a tactic of supporters. When a primary source says something bad about him, they then ask for proof that that person is not lying.

Such as Fielding who is filmed speaking about his meeting with Bamber. It is now up to the guilters to prove he is not lying !
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Re: The meeting with The Sun newspaper:
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2015, 08:53:PM »
the sun is not a primary source unless our brian dead.