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Offline Patti

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2015, 11:00:PM »
I remember the first time this came up - annoyed me then as it does now. Baseless. Certainly wasn't Caroline who first brought it up either - don't think she'll be happy with that one.

I don't think anyone has said that Caroline brought this up Mat or discussed it, all I said is that Caroline posted the document in the another thread and Caroline may have put it in the archives unaware of all its contents.

In all fairness I do think that we should all be very careful what we say about its contents. I shall raise the issue with NGB tomorrow.  But, at the end of the day it is in our archives and the document has been posted and discussed before, therefore forms part of the case discussion. 

If anyone wants the thread locked till this is raised with NGB please feel free to say.
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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2015, 11:38:PM »
it is a disturbing  alegation but its also disturbing unprovable allegation.
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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2015, 11:52:PM »
Very Bizarre  :o

The Mackenzie report alleges that Neville could be the biological father of the Twins



 ???

Please share your thoughts

It's bollocks which just goes to show how crap the M report is
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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2015, 12:14:AM »
It's bollocks which just goes to show how crap the M report is

I don't understand some peoples reaction to this. We should be able to debate things like adults.

If your going to investigate crimes and/or situations that will inevitably involve looking into peoples private and family lives then you must be prepared to come across such allegations or situations like this. If there is no solid proof then no need to worry I guess

Does anyone recall when or who conceived this idea? not many people could make this up
 

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2015, 12:50:AM »
I remember the first time this came up - annoyed me then as it does now. Baseless. Certainly wasn't Caroline who first brought it up either - don't think she'll be happy with that one.

Thanks Mat, you can see what was happening!! My post was removed when I complained.
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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2015, 12:53:AM »
blood grouping doesnt really prove a lot often children are of diffrent blood grous to there parents.

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2015, 01:05:AM »
Thanks Mat, you can see what was happening!! My post was removed when I complained.

I meant the whole document, not that bit. That bit is not a bit that is in the archives, its the whole document. You have completely misunderstood what I meant and I have just looked back and I can see now how it can be misread, but the truth is I meant the whole document and not that bit.  I am sorry if you have taken it the wrong way it was my intention to so that.  Why would I say that you had put it in the archives as that bit, knowing it was the full document.

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2015, 01:13:AM »
I meant the whole document, not that bit. That bit is not a bit that is in the archives, its the whole document. You have completely misunderstood what I meant and I have just looked back and I can see now how it can be misread, but the truth is I meant the whole document and not that bit.  I am sorry if you have taken it the wrong way it was my intention to so that.  Why would I say that you had put it in the archives as that bit, knowing it was the full document.

It was in the archive and was part of a large series of papers, I just copied and pasted that relevant part to one image. 

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2015, 01:20:AM »
It was in the archive and was part of a large series of papers, I just copied and pasted that relevant part to one image.

I know you did David, thank you.

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2015, 01:27:AM »
I meant the whole document, not that bit. That bit is not a bit that is in the archives, its the whole document. You have completely misunderstood what I meant and I have just looked back and I can see now how it can be misread, but the truth is I meant the whole document and not that bit.  I am sorry if you have taken it the wrong way it was my intention to so that.  Why would I say that you had put it in the archives as that bit, knowing it was the full document.

I'm glad you cleared that up because that's not how your initial post sounded.
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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2015, 01:02:PM »
who is the orginal source of this cliam.

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2015, 03:07:PM »
who is the orginal source of this cliam.

That's what I want to know  ???

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2015, 03:18:PM »
That's what I want to know  ???

I think its the Manchester Forensic Science Lab.  Ewen Smith probably commissioned it. You can see the full report on the Fraudulent thread starting I think from page 3...or have a neb in the archives.  ;)

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2015, 03:46:PM »
Very Bizarre  :o

The Mackenzie report alleges that Neville could be the biological father of the Twins



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Please share your thoughts

Jeremy's defenders have long made allegations without any basis for them.  This is one of them.  The suggestion that because they share the same blood type as Nevill this means they most likely are Nevill's children is bizarre. 

It is one of the things that demonstrates those writing the report have no idea what they are talking about and are hardly reliable.  The various allegations in the they made in this document ended up going nowhere for the most part they were debunked by the time of the 2002 Appeal.  This was supposed to be an internal document for the defense to try using as a basis to investigate further.

Frankly reading things like that just makes them look like fools who know little about science.  Blood parental tests stopped being used because they could only rule out 30-35% of the population as being a parent so were of limited use.   

When I was in 7th grade I learned the following in science class:

Mother has group A blood.  Child has Group O blood.  What blood type must the father have?  The answer is A, B or O only AB is ruled out as being a possible blood type for the father.   

So the father could have A, B or O blood.  How much do you want to wager that Colin has one of these blood types...

For court orders of child support etc where parentage needed to be established they used immunity system tests to calculate parentage (HLA gene testing).  These tests were somewhere in the 80 percent level so vastly superior to blood group testing.  Naturally those who wrote the report had no access to such information to make any comparisons, they only had access to blood typing information and thus could only make the simplistic observation that my 7th grade class was taught- the father had to have Group O, A or B blood.  That Nevill had group O blood is hardly a basis to suggest they were his kids instead of Caffell's kids.

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Re: A Disturbing Allegation!
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2015, 04:07:PM »
I am blood group A.  D-positive
My father was A  ?-Positive
My mother was RH Negative

I shall never fathom this grouping malarkey....not even sure what D-positive is.