How would you react ?

[lookout]

It is a safe conviction. Unbiased Mick Gradwell confirmed this. And so have the appeal judges.

Nope-----------read about him in the Jersey Abuse Scandal,then tell me what you think of him !!

[Caroline]

yes well if you dont want people geting shot local plod are best people to get around there.

if you consider its a family member with the gun not a stranger and your own dads in there and theres 2 young children in there yoou might want the heavy crashing through the window armed to the teeth.

So you're saying he knew all of that and called the local 'plod' with all that in mind? Yet when asked why he didn't call 999 he said 'I don't know'. That might have been the time to explain his cunning plan but sadly, he just 'didn't know'.

[lookout]

Then why didn't June,Neville or even Sheila break a few windows to " scare the attacker away ?"

Would not Sheila have been screaming down the phone to Jeremy for help ??

[lookout]

Would not Sheila have been screaming down the phone to Jeremy for help ??

She ALWAYS stuck up for her brother,even as a child.

[Caroline]

If that phonecall happened, I can imagine it would have been very confusing for Jeremy.
First, he was half asleep, secondly, he must have wondered why his father called him and not the police and deduced that the situation couldn´t be all that serious, still serious enough to call the local cops, thirdly, there had been incidents in the past where Sheila had a breakdown during the night.
I do think he called Julie, because he did not quite know what to do. She didn´t take his call seriously and told him to go back to bed.

She didn't get the (alleged) call from Nevill so it wasn't up to her to decide what he should do.

[Caroline]

If Sheila could scare the electric man,then surely she wouldn't have been averse to scaring an "unwelcome guest " during one of her " do's ",being the first one to pick up a weapon in order to shield her children.


I'm sure the " attacker " would have left via the front door,as it wouldn't have made any difference,rather than exiting out of a window which would have been more noticeable if someone had been passing. Now that would have been suspicious

Who would have been passing by the house at WHF at that time? They would literally have been on WHF property. He left by the window so that it would LOOK like an inside job.

[Jan]

Do you think there were conversations with Sheila. The police with load speakers. Sheila shouting from the window.

Jeremy not aware and the police not telling him. Even though he could be used in talking Sheila down.

Where did I say that? I said it was agreed the police could not write in plain English.

[Alias]

She didn't get the (alleged) call from Nevill so it wasn't up to her to decide what he should do.

Her reaction was strange though, you have to admit that.

[Jan]

At this stage I think there would have been a need to move things forward. He may even have had pride in what he'd believed he'd achieved and may have wanted to "share" it.

ahh so that's why he told Julie as well . Boasting . Possible . Fits in with the character that is built up of him. Like I said lets hope she was telling the truth and not helping the police.

[Jane]

Mr Smith walking his dog had heard a gunshot ? So there's nothing like the sound of breaking glass as well as shooting into the air,to arouse those in the cottages not far away. Or even the odd one or two who like a walk in the summer air. Farmers start early in the harvest time if the weather's fine.

And did Mr Smith say that the shot he heard definitely came from WHF, bearing in mind that it took some 25 shots to complete the job?  In such isolation sound travels. It's very rural. There were likely to have been poachers. A shot being fired signifies nothing.

[Jan]

Really ? Was Jeremy aware of this ? He is a clever boy. Why has he never said this.

So he wanted the police there. But didn't want a big fuss made.

Make up your mind - what situation is he trying to create?

A siege with hostages - or the family  seated round a table with Sheila just holding a gun?

[Alias]

And did Mr Smith say that the shot he heard definitely came from WHF, bearing in mind that it took some 25 shots to complete the job?  In such isolation sound travels. It's very rural. There were likely to have been poachers. A shot being fired signifies nothing.

Sound of breaking glass would travel too - you just asked "who would have heard."

[Patti]

Does anyone know where the cottages where located on the farm?

[Jane]

its a bit diffrent when the person holding the gun holding the gun is your own sister if a lot of armed police come out there is a good chance they will shoot her and theres a lot more chance that she will be panicked and shoot somebody inside.

Jeremy's ONLY responsibility was to get the police there ASAP because Sheila was allegedly posing a threat to the family. What trained professionals thought was appropriate action was nothing to do with Jeremy.

[Jan]

A family member was the first suspect, they one Jeremy tried to set up - Sheila.

but apparently it is an obviously staged scene and they would according to skippy be able to tell immediately from her hands and nightdress that she had never fired the gun at all - not on the family and not on herself. These were officers of many years experience - Why did they not spot that ?