How would you react ?

[maggie]

Morning Maggie/Jan  what a good suggestion Jeremy could have delayed the phone call from his Dad had he wanted, I think, bit confused now Scipio will explain why that was not possible

Of course he will suse We are all ears!!

[Jane]

so why not just wait 15 minutes at his house then ring 999 ? Your argument makes no sense

There's a huge amount of post event dotting of "I"'s and crossing of "T"'s going on. Maybe it has to do with that we are STILL trying to come to terms with this appalling crime. You were addressing a point about time wasting, I think but the answer to your question is probably as broad as it is long -leaving aside that adrenalin would have been flowing so holding still might not have been an option- however long he waited prior to making a 999 call, the response time was likely to have been faster than just going down the circuitous route. I think the object of time wasting was in order to take them far enough the recently killed stage to blur the times of death. He didn't know that the police wouldn't go in immediately and if they'd found a JUST dead nevill it would have been obvious he hadn't made a phone call.

[Adam]

Jeremy himself said he 'didn't think it would make any difference in how quickly the police arrived'.

If that is the case, why not just dial 999 ?

If you asked 100 unbiased people what they would do in that situation, some would say they would go straight over and not ring the police. Some would say they would ring 999. Not one would say they would look in the phone book for the forth furthest away police station.

[Jane]

Excellent suggestion Jan, he could have waited an hour,all he had to do was change the time of the phone call from nevill, he had total co troll of the situation if he invented the phone call.

At this stage I think there would have been a need to move things forward. He may even have had pride in what he'd believed he'd achieved and may have wanted to "share" it.

[maggie]

There's a huge amount of post event dotting of "I"'s and crossing of "T"'s going on. Maybe it has to do with that we are STILL trying to come to terms with this appalling crime. You were addressing a point about time wasting, I think but the answer to your question is probably as broad as it is long -leaving aside that adrenalin would have been flowing so holding still might not have been an option- however long he waited prior to making a 999 call, the response time was likely to have been faster than just going down the circuitous route. I think the object of time wasting was in order to take them far enough the recently killed stage to blur the times of death. He didn't know that the police wouldn't go in immediately and if they'd found a JUST dead nevill it would have been obvious he hadn't made a phone call.

I am unconvinced by that argument.

[maggie]

At this stage I think there would have been a need to move things forward. He may even have had pride in what he'd believed he'd achieved and may have wanted to "share" it.

I agree that is a possibility, but that's all and no more convincing than other reasons recently debated.

[nugnug]

Jeremy himself said he 'didn't think it would make any difference in how quickly the police arrived'.

If that is the case, why not just dial 999 ?

If you asked 100 unbiased people what they would do in that situation, some would say they would go straight over and not ring the police. Some would say they would ring 999. Not one would say they would look in the phone book for the forth furthest away police station.

well i did offer an explantation if you phone 999 the police take things much more seriously there much more likely to turn up with guns in a hostage sitaun that's not always good.

[Adam]

well i did offer an explantation if you phone 999 the police take things much more seriously there much more likely to turn up with guns in a hostage sitaun that's not always good.

Really ? Was Jeremy aware of this ? He is a clever boy. Why has he never said this.

So he wanted the police there. But didn't want a big fuss made.

[Jane]

Jeremy himself said he 'didn't think it would make any difference in how quickly the police arrived'.

If that is the case, why not just dial 999 ?

If you asked 100 unbiased people what they would do in that situation, some would say they would go straight over and not ring the police. Some would say they would ring 999. Not one would say they would look in the phone book for the forth furthest away police station.

Caroline created an EXCELLENT poll in which she laid out all the options available to Jeremy and asking what WE would have done under those circumstances. There weren't 100 responses, but other than 4 voters who admitted to not knowing what they'd do!!!! all other voters combined calling 999 with responding to the "Come quickly" request. Sadly the poll was removed.

[nugnug]

Really ? Was Jeremy aware of this ? He is a clever boy. Why has he never said this.

So he wanted the police there. But didn't want a big fuss made.

if you phone 999 it means its an emergency if you just want a bit of back up its much better to hone the local police station.

i think he intended just go around there but was frightened to go on his own. in wich case the local number would be the number you would phone.

[Jane]

I am unconvinced by that argument.

Can you offer a better one.................or even offer one?

[Jane]

if you phone 999 it means its an emergency if you just want a bit of back up its much better to hone the local police station.

i think he intended just go around there but was frightened to go on his own. in wich case the local number would be the number you would phone.

Hm! So he gets  a silly o' clock call from his panicked father who tells him his sister has gone mad and got hold of a gun, and to please come quickly......................and Jeremy thinks it ISN'T an emergency so the local plod on his push bike -or Ford Anglia if there's one available- will be enough back up?

[lookout]

I think in this day and age,a 999 call would be the absolute norm as most areas now have seen a great rise in crime over the last 30 years where police work flat-out as opposed to in the past where an ordinary station number would have summoned them as quickly as an urgent one.
The 3 in the morning then,was a lot,lot different to a 3 in the morning now--------times have changed,vastly. You actually had the bobby on a bike and on foot over 30 years ago.

[Caroline]

Oh yes that would work . Even though apparently family members are always the first suspects?

A family member was the first suspect, they one Jeremy tried to set up - Sheila.

[nugnug]

Hm! So he gets  a silly o' clock call from his panicked father who tells him his sister has gone mad and got hold of a gun, and to please come quickly......................and Jeremy thinks it ISN'T an emergency so the local plod on his push bike -or Ford Anglia if there's one available- will be enough back up?

yes well if you dont want people geting shot local plod are best people to get around there.

if you consider its a family member with the gun not a stranger and your own dads in there and theres 2 young children in there yoou might want the heavy crashing through the window armed to the teeth.