How would you react ?

[SaraT]

Because the time he says Neville phoned him, that shows Neville was alive - he needs to delay things or Sheila has killed everyone within minutes, washed and killed herself.

He could have said his father said she had shot the others and told him to raise the alarm but not to come in as she will shoot, that would delay things

[guest154]

He could have said his father said she had shot the others and told him to raise the alarm but not to come in as she will shoot, that would delay things

You think it would be believable that Sheila would shoot the kids dead in their beds...murder her mother... and ralph would call Jeremy??

[scipio_usmc]

But would he not think that would cause suspicion? And why would he need to delay? If they were all dead why would it matter if the police went straight round?

Because the more time that passed the less chance he felt that they would be able to tell who was killed first and last. The boys were most likely killed 3rd and 4th and even possibly last.  That presents a problem from the inheritance standpoint.  That is one of the reasons why he would not want Sheila's body in the room with them.  He needed people to think they died before both grandparents to avoid them being heirs.  If they died after the grandparents they could be viewed as heirs and their shares would go to their father. 

Furthermore, he took time to stage the scene and go back home.  If police went inside right away they could potentially find out the bodies were there longer than he claimed and would foil his claim of receiving a call.

[SaraT]

You think it would be believable that Sheila would shoot the kids dead in their beds...murder her mother... and ralph would call Jeremy??

Yes that's a good point. Maybe he could have said she was threatening to shoot and told JB to raise the alarm but for the police not go storm in?

[guest154]

Yes that's a good point. Maybe he could have said she was threatening to shoot and told JB to raise the alarm but for the police not go storm in?

Because that doesn't sound suspicious?

Plus once Bamber had alerted the police it would be their decision whether they go in or not and not Jeremy's/Nevilles.

[SaraT]

Because the more time that passed the less chance he felt that they would be able to tell who was killed first and last. The boys were most likely killed 3rd and 4th and even possibly last.  That presents a problem from the inheritance standpoint.  That is one of the reasons why he would not want Sheila's body in the room with them.  He needed people to think they died before both grandparents to avoid them being heirs.  If they died after the grandparents they could be viewed as heirs and their shares would go to their father.

Blimey o'riley that's high faluted thinking! 

[scipio_usmc]

Blimey o'riley that's high faluted thinking! 

You have to consider what a killer would have been thinking about if you are trying to get inside a killer's head.

[susan]

He could have said his father said she had shot the others and told him to raise the alarm but not to come in as she will shoot, that would delay things

Hello Sara IMO the alleged phone call from Ralph was Jeremy's downfall by inventing this call he implicated himself in the killings if he had staged the scene went home to bed and waited till he was contacted next morning he may have got away with it.  Just my opinion of course I could be wrong.

[Jan]

You think it would be believable that Sheila would shoot the kids dead in their beds...murder her mother... and ralph would call Jeremy??

But someone made an interesting point that perhaps he thought she was threatening to kill herself and had wandered off when he made the call , he obviously did not think she was capable  of her threat  or of murder - or he himself would not have left guns around . then he heard a shot and dropped the phone

[Stephanie]

another question - I just read a statement of an officer who was not called until gone 5am . He was told it was a siege situation with possible hostages being held or killed . Now why would they say that when they had not heard a single sound or apparently seen any movement at all? Jeremy had not said that any shots had been fired .they said they had challenged the house - but had no response - who where they challenging ? they had seen or heard  nothing . also one officer was told to retreat from his original position for his own safety?

This shows me the prosecution disclosed material that would help both sides.

[SaraT]

But someone made an interesting point that perhaps he thought she was threatening to kill herself and had wandered off when he made the call , he obviously did not think she was capable  of her threat  or of murder - or he himself would not have left guns around . then he heard a shot and dropped the phone

Yes that is an interesting point

[scipio_usmc]

But someone made an interesting point that perhaps he thought she was threatening to kill herself and had wandered off when he made the call , he obviously did not think she was capable  of her threat  or of murder - or he himself would not have left guns around . then he heard a shot and dropped the phone

If she shot everyone else and wandered away leaving him alive then he would either:

1) get the hell out of there to save his ass

2) call police demanding an ambulance be sent and then either get out to save his own ass or go try to help save her if he felt she was going to kill herself.

Calling Jeremy to Keep it in the family would not be an option if she already shot people.

[Jan]

Good point actually.

I've no idea and neither did he.



Because the time he says Neville phoned him, that shows Neville was alive - he needs to delay things or Sheila has killed everyone within minutes, washed and killed herself.


They were going off the call Bamber says he recieved. Going off the information from Bamber. He says he got a call that his sister had gone beserk with the gun - they arrive outside, no response - even though Neville had asked Jeremy to come over - so that's why they believed it was a siege situation with possible hostages being held or killed .

You're speaking with hindsight.

I am glad you agree that they could have gone straight in and JB did not know that - because then they would have known immediately he was not telling the truth because they would have been dead for hours not minutes .

And how do we know at what point  Sheila committed suicide ? How do we know she had done that before the police arrived?

[SaraT]

I think if you are going to make up a phone call why not say sheila had telephoned saying I've killed them all and I will shoot anyone that comes in, that would delay things

[Jan]

If she shot everyone else and wandered away leaving him alive then he would either:

1) get the hell out of there to save his ass

2) call police demanding an ambulance be sent and then either get out to save his own ass or go try to help save her if he felt she was going to kill herself.

Calling Jeremy to Keep it in the family would not be an option if she already shot people.

I did not say she had shot everyone else - I said he heard a shot  or possibly shots

So he would have rushed upstairs to try and find out what the hell was happening . So  how long would it take her to shoot the twins and June ? We don't know that all the shots were made to each victim all at once do we?