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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #180 on: April 18, 2015, 05:14:PM »
I believe he claimed she used to go shooting with his father - that was my point - I never said she had used that particular gun before. Did Jeremy need special tuition before he used it?

Bit stupid to buy a gun to plant on his sister which was impossible for her to use don't you think? If he had been planning this for so long , was this just a small oversight?
I have heard it's so easy to use a child could manage it.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #181 on: April 18, 2015, 05:28:PM »
well if you consider the shots were fire from almost point blank range as well.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #182 on: April 18, 2015, 05:30:PM »
I was just reading two statements and it is interesting that Violet bencher stated that in that June before the murders ( so just a matter of weeks before) Sheila was very emotional and miserable about her life and wanted the boys back and june had told her they were worried about the boys going into foster. Also Freddy said Sheila had slowed down a bit but had no problems with co-ordination or picking things up. Also interestingly at the time of her second breakdown she did not recognise anyone - when he told her about it he thought that she was thinking he had made the whole thing up - which is why I believe that if she did do it you can not apply logic to her actions or where she would kill herself.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #183 on: April 18, 2015, 05:36:PM »
I believe he claimed she used to go shooting with his father - that was my point - I never said she had used that particular gun before. Did Jeremy need special tuition before he used it?

Bit stupid to buy a gun to plant on his sister which was impossible for her to use don't you think? If he had been planning this for so long , was this just a small oversight?

It's not impossible for her to use. She just had no experience with guns.

To expect her to chamber and re load twice, while Neville is a quivering wreak ringing Jeremy is ridiculous.

Jeremy choose that rifle as it is used for shooting rabbits. Something Jeremy claimed he had loaded it for and left it within easy access for a crazy Sheila.

Anyway Jeremy didn't think Sheila's gun experience would ever be investigated.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2015, 05:37:PM by Adam »
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #184 on: April 18, 2015, 05:38:PM »
It's not impossible for her to use. She just had no experience with guns.

To expect her to chamber and re load twice, while Neville is a quivering wreak ringing Jeremy is ridiculous.

Jeremy choose that rifle as it is used for shooting rabbits. Something Jeremy claimed he had loaded it for and left it within easy access for a crazy Sheila.

Anyway Jeremy didn't think Sheila's gun experience would ever be investigated.
According to you Adam, |Jeremy didn't think at all!!

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #185 on: April 18, 2015, 05:38:PM »
I believe he claimed she used to go shooting with his father - that was my point - I never said she had used that particular gun before. Did Jeremy need special tuition before he used it?

Bit stupid to buy a gun to plant on his sister which was impossible for her to use don't you think? If he had been planning this for so long , was this just a small oversight?

He claimed she had walked in the past when Nevill had shotguns.  There is no evidence she actually did but this still has no bearing on the use of the Anschutz.

Jeremy initially LIED claiming she had used the weapon. That was his way of dealing with the fact she hadn't.  After it because clear police were not concerned he changed it to she had walked with Nevill and AP as they shot shotguns. 

The police who knew little about firearms COMPLETELY MISSED the significant point about needing to manually chamber the first round of a semi-auto.  That is one of the problems when you have investigators who don't use firearms.

Each time I point out this significant point you and other Jeremy supporters just close your eyes because of your bias.  There is no actual evidence that Sheila went with her father as he shot anything with his shotgun- the tale she did so with AP and Nevill together was a lie.  Jeremy would have no way to know if she was with Nevill as he shot the gun unless Jeremy was there as well to witness it but he never actually said she was with him and others as shooting took place.

The same BS keeps coming from Jeremy supporters who are too biased to admit the truth.  These Jeremy supporters assert:

1) the gun was so simply a child could use it

2) she would have to have seen weapons used because she grew up on a farm.

These 2 arguments do no respond to the points I made.  I have pointed this out time and again.

The claim the gun is so easy to use a child can use it refers to the kick and weight of the weapon being not too much for a child to handle.  A child would have no idea how to load, unload and fire the weapon though unless trained to do so.  Loading all the rounds in the magazine could be too much for a child though. You have to push very hard in order to get the 8-10 rounds in.

Being around a farm doesn't mean you ever see weapons used.  Even if you do just watching someone doesn't mean you will see how to use it.  You can't easily see what latches people push.  So you won't necessarily even know how to use the weapon you saw them use let alone a weapon that functions differently. The Anschutz functioned unlike any other weapon the family had in the past.

I noted how Lynette Fromme grew up around guns but didn't know the first round of the semi-auto she tried to use to assassinate US President Ford needed to be chambered first. She just cocked the hammer pilled the trigger, the hammer fell and nothing happened.  Nothing happened because there was no bullet in the chamber for the firing pin (that the hammer hits) to set off.  She didn't even realize the first round needed to be chambered let alone how to do it.

That is the same exact situation that Sheila would have faced.  Jeremy supporters realize this is a big problem but are not interested int he truth but rather are interested in believing Jeremy is innocent no matter what so just ignore this and try to bury it with the claim well a child could use the gun so that means she just naturally would know how to use it.  That is a pathetic argument and copout.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #186 on: April 18, 2015, 05:42:PM »
If you have never fired a gun before, is it possible to work out how to manually chamber the first round ?
« Last Edit: April 18, 2015, 05:44:PM by Adam »
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #187 on: April 18, 2015, 05:47:PM »
It's not impossible for her to use. She just had no experience with guns.

To expect her to chamber and re load twice, while Neville is a quivering wreak ringing Jeremy is ridiculous.

Jeremy choose that rifle as it is used for shooting rabbits. Something Jeremy claimed he had loaded it for and left it within easy access for a crazy Sheila.

Anyway Jeremy didn't think Sheila's gun experience would ever be investigated.

if she had allready shot him shes got all the time she needs to reload.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #188 on: April 18, 2015, 05:50:PM »
I was just reading two statements and it is interesting that Violet bencher stated that in that June before the murders ( so just a matter of weeks before) Sheila was very emotional and miserable about her life and wanted the boys back and june had told her they were worried about the boys going into foster. Also Freddy said Sheila had slowed down a bit but had no problems with co-ordination or picking things up. Also interestingly at the time of her second breakdown she did not recognise anyone - when he told her about it he thought that she was thinking he had made the whole thing up - which is why I believe that if she did do it you can not apply logic to her actions or where she would kill herself.

Freddie said that she instantly recognized her father and instantly calmed down, that was without even having any medication.  Her breakdown occurred because she stopped taking her medication but because the medicine was being injected she had no such opportunity anymore to stop taking it.


That June was scared the authorities might want to take the boys away and send them to a foster home wasn't something that Sheila was scared of.  She was upset the boys were mostly with Colin. 
The boys were living with Colin most of the time instead of with her on a regular basis and she cried saying she wanted her kids back.  She wasn't crying because of anything related to fostering and she also said she could see the tranquilizing effects of the medicine on Sheila:






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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #189 on: April 18, 2015, 05:51:PM »
if she had allready shot him shes got all the time she needs to reload.

Who do you think Sheila shot first ?

David said she shot the twins first. Neville waking up and seeing her standing by the twins with the rifle. Neville then abandoned everyone to run downstairs to ring Jeremy.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #190 on: April 18, 2015, 05:51:PM »
if she had allready shot him shes got all the time she needs to reload.

The killer had to render Nevill unconscious by breaking the stock on his head in order to be able to reload. 
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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #191 on: April 18, 2015, 06:01:PM »
Colin says in his book that Sheila´s condition always deteriorated dramatically whenever she went to WHF, NO MATTER THE MEDICATION. He clearly states that.
But of course, don´t believe a man who knew the people involved.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #192 on: April 18, 2015, 06:05:PM »
and he was her husband so i think he would know her better than most people.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #193 on: April 18, 2015, 06:06:PM »
Colin says in his book that Sheila´s condition always deteriorated dramatically whenever she went to WHF, NO MATTER THE MEDICATION. He clearly states that.
But of course, don´t believe a man who knew the people involved.
Of course not Alias,when there are people on this site who know better  ;)
June told Pamela that night that she was very worried about Sheila's health just before they all died.  Whatever happened that night one of the few facts we do know about that night is that June told her sister at about 10pm that she was very worried about Sheila's behaviour and wanted to speak to her the next day about it.

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Re: How would you react ?
« Reply #194 on: April 18, 2015, 06:14:PM »
Freddie said that she instantly recognized her father and instantly calmed down, that was without even having any medication.  Her breakdown occurred because she stopped taking her medication but because the medicine was being injected she had no such opportunity anymore to stop taking it.


That June was scared the authorities might want to take the boys away and send them to a foster home wasn't something that Sheila was scared of.  She was upset the boys were mostly with Colin. 
The boys were living with Colin most of the time instead of with her on a regular basis and she cried saying she wanted her kids back.  She wasn't crying because of anything related to fostering and she also said she could see the tranquilizing effects of the medicine on Sheila:




I never said that Sheila was crying about the fostering?

why are you just repeating what I said - Freddy said she was slow but not un-coordinated

You or I were not privy to the alleged conversation on the night or how Sheila interpreted it ?

You are assuming her emotions now and what might trigger them.

I was observing from statements that 

1) she was miserable and emotional a few weeks before the murders
2) she was allegedly not un-coordinated as has been stated before
3) when she did have a nervous breakdown she was not recognising people around her (perhaps her father arrived towards the end)
4) Her mother mentioned the fear of fostering to Colins mother - so perhaps Sheila did think it was possible if she did not recover fully .


I think you are trying to put words into my mouth ? Not sure why?