How would you react ?

[Caroline]

OK then.  If I was to get 10 women and give them each a rifle a magazine and some bullets and asked them to load the magazine and fire a shot, what would you think the outcome would be? It is a simple test.  Would you think those 10 women would fail? Of course you do because you do not wish to believe that women could be intelligent enough to load and fire a weapon that according to experts a child would be able to use. 

You would have to find 10 women in the throws of psychosis because that's the allegation aimed at Sheila.

[Patti]

You would have to find 10 women in the throws of psychosis because that's the allegation aimed at Sheila.

Why would I? The argument is she was not familiar to guns therefore it was not possible for her to have picked one up and used it. 

[Caroline]

Why would I? The argument is she was not familiar to guns therefore it was not possible for her to have picked one up and used it. 

Because that's the condition Sheila was supposed to be in when she loaded the gun.

[Patti]

Because that's the condition Sheila was supposed to be in when she loaded the gun.

So you are saying that her condition prevented her from loading a gun?

[Caroline]

So you are saying that her condition prevented her from loading a gun?

No, I'm saying that if you're going to replicate the scenario, you need like for like - but OBVIOUSLY psychosis would inhibit someone's ability to perform new tasks and the loading of a semi-automatic would be a new task for Sheila because she'd not loaded such a rifle before!

[lookout]

Psychosis would spur them on. It's a powerful adrenaline rush. Abnormal-------but powerful.

[Patti]

No, I'm saying that if you're going to replicate the scenario, you need like for like - but OBVIOUSLY psychosis would inhibit someone's ability to perform new tasks and the loading of a semi-automatic would be a new task for Sheila because she'd not loaded such a rifle before!

I don't think I do need to replicate it to the point of it being 10 psychotic women to be honest. Surely the test would confirm that it is either possible or impossible that they could load a gun and fire it.

Are you saying that those with psychosis cannot perform new tasks or use the thinking process?

 

[lookout]

I wouldn't like to be anywhere near a woman who was armed with a gun and having a psychotic episode ! That's two lethal weapons.

[Caroline]

I don't think I do need to replicate it to the point of it being 10 psychotic women to be honest. Surely the test would confirm that it is either possible or impossible that they could load a gun and fire it.

Are you saying that those with psychosis cannot perform new tasks or use the thinking process?

I have made it perfectly clear what I mean! The allegation is that Sheila 'went crazy' picked up an unloaded rifle, loaded the magazine, attached it, chambered a shot - all while in psychosis. To indicate whether Sheila was capable, you need to replicate the same situation. Of course out of 10 NORMAL women, SOME will manage to load it and others won't.

[Stephanie]

Hi SaraT, thanks for that, I argue from having also had a similar experience, fortunately with a different outcome, although that night is still remembered with a blackness and dread in my mind.
I agree the argument is not about supporting JB but is a much broader fact that human beings choose fight or flight or a mixture of both under extreme pressure and due to this their actions in hindsight may seem irrational.
How many people look back and question their own behaviour in such situations.
As for JB regretting not phoning 999..... I would suggest, whether he's innocent or guilty, he knows it wouldn't have changed anything.

Not if we are talking about a psychopath.

I imagine he regrets a lot of things, like being caught for one.

[Stephanie]

I do know what objective is you don't understand what I am saying. You can use an experience in a way which is not 'influenced by emotional or personal prejuces' ...... objective, well I can.

But that is down to interpretation, you are still being subjective.

[lookout]

I have made it perfectly clear what I mean! The allegation is that Sheila 'went crazy' picked up an unloaded rifle, loaded the magazine, attached it, chambered a shot - all while in psychosis. To indicate whether Sheila was capable, you need to replicate the same situation. Of course out of 10 NORMAL women, SOME will manage to load it and others won't.

Don't worry,Sheila would have been quite adept at loading a magazine. Don't let stupidity get in the way of a psychotic episode,because stupid they're not, they still have their faculties albeit twisted in thought.

[Stephanie]

Don't worry,Sheila would have been quite adept at loading a magazine. Don't let stupidity get in the way of a psychotic episode,because stupid they're not, they still have their faculties albeit twisted in thought.

Is this the philosophy you adopted when your were nursing?

[lookout]

Is this the philosophy you adopted when your were nursing?

What ? Saying that they're not stupid people ? They WEREN'T,as most were well ahead of their game and more alert than most.

[Stephanie]

Don't worry,Sheila would have been quite adept at loading a magazine. Don't let stupidity get in the way of a psychotic episode,because stupid they're not, they still have their faculties albeit twisted in thought.

What ? Saying that they're not stupid people ? They WEREN'T,as most were well ahead of their game and more alert than most.

Did you xxxxx all your xxxxxxxx like this?