Sheila's hands

[chochokeira]

go to profile, modify profile and then put whatever you want in the signature section.

Thanks, simong +1

I went in to mod profile to add a message, but saw the avatar thingy and ending up messing about with one of those instead. Will think of a message later.

[smiffy]

mike makes mention of the injuries to Ralphs right arm as being caused by Sheila's left hand.
After studying the pictures of the gouges I am in total agreement.

[mike tesko]

I do not think that EP did a proper job of gathering scientific evidence to prove that Sheila killed everyone and that she then took her own life in the bedroom, because they were absolutely certain that she was responsible for all the deaths. I am not saying they did not gather any evidence, only that there was not such an intense gathering of it, say if the incident had been treated as a full scale murder investigation from the outset...

Not to be overlooked, is the fact that scenes of crime officers gathered evidence (under SC/688/85) for use at the Coroners court, not with a view to there being a criminal trial - which was eventually pursued after the creation of the second file (SC/786/85)...

I think the investigation overall was fundamentally flawed, because in the first instance, SC/688/85 was not carried out adequately with a view to proving that Sheila did it, and how she did it, they just knew she had done it, and just went through the motions, whereas the second part of the investigation (SC/786/85) was / is based upon an editing of the first investigations material, where any suggestion that Sheila could have been involved or responsible, was edited out...

[mike tesko]

I'm not sure that Sheila's hands were properly examined at th e time of the original investigation (SC/688/85), I think there was some sort of a mix up involving the hand swab evidence which cannot be overlooked and ignored easily...

DRH/33 - hand swabs evidence is dodgy to say the least...

[smiffy]

the pathologists notes speaks of both hands  but says bloodstains...not too clear but the plural use instead of singular may indicate bloodstains on both hands...open to interpretation really..

I had mentioned earlier about Sheilas left index finger sticking out differently from the other fingers.
The pathologist makes mention of an old scar on the back of her left hand...it is possible that  the cut resulting in the scar may have damaged a tendon ..hence the sticking out finger..not 100% certain but a possible credible reason for what is seen with that index finger.

[smiffy]

The pathologists hand written autopsy notes also mention a wristwatch being worn by Sheila on her left wrist.
This confirms the view from the pictures of what looked like a watchstrap must be the watchstrap for this watch.

[John]

There were no substantial quantities of any blood on her hands except for the small amount on her right hand as seen in the existing photographs.  There was also no gun oil or residue from firing any gun on any of her hands.

It is thus quite obvious to anyone with the slightest titter of wit that Sheila could not have used the rifle.

[smiffy]

If my hands are dirty for whatever reason , or preparing food or after using the toilet I wash my hands. That way they get clean.
There is no reason not to think Sheila did not wash her hands. The palm print evidence now revealed indicates that she did at some time.

People should stick to making posts that are sensible and not profoundly stupid.

[grahameb]

If my hands are dirty for whatever reason , or preparing food or after using the toilet I wash my hands. That way they get clean.
There is no reason not to think Sheila did not wash her hands. The palm print evidence now revealed indicates that she did at some time.

People should stick to making posts that are sensible and not profoundly stupid.

I think it is quite credible that she washed her hands. What I find incredible are those people who don't think it is credible.

[sandy]

Is this in between shooting herself in the neck twice??   Try at least to come up with something logical.

[smiffy]

If you look closely on the guardian video of the close up of the bloodstain on Sheila's nightdress near her hands ...what looks like  a bloodsmear is in fact the palm print the pathologist spoke of.

his words on the handwritten autopsy notes  after referring to the palm print were;
"also bloodstains R side of nightdress"

this must mean that in addition to the handprint...the bloodstains on the R side must be the main staining area by the underarm area.

Now that handprint is clearly a womans and clearly Sheila's .

This fact and being reported on as well ..forces the conclusion that either her hands were bloodstained or they had been washed.

[grahameb]

Is this in between shooting herself in the neck twice??   Try at least to come up with something logical.

When doing a jigsaw do you not turn the pieces around to see if they fit. Sometimes the logical is not so obvious as we think it is.

[sandy]

Stating that a hand-print is clearly a woman's and so must be Sheila's without any evidence of any sort is bizarre...smacks of desperation.

[nugnug]

i would of thought they would be able to tell if it was jeremys.

[smiffy]

In regards to the palm print on Sheila he did use the word matches and R hand.

Looking at the palm print in the photos I  have seen..there is a thin trace of blood from the edge of the thumb , a heavier more pronounced stain from the index finger...no middle finger  print being seen(raised at the time it seems), the ring finger stain is more pronounced at the tip but also near the palm these is a most pronounced bit of staining (probably due to the ring helping retain/gather blood at the time the stain was made) and the little finger staining is more heavily marked nearer the tip.

The print is very credibly Sheila's own and is credibly orientated for being made by her own actions rather than one in which somone pressed her bloodied hand against her nightdress.
If someone had done that we would expect a more full print more resembling small childrens hand painting artwork.