A fair trial?

[Roch]

Quite a few people on here have said they didn't think Jeremy had a fair trial, and I'm interested in what they mean by that.

Jeremy's first appeal was on the grounds that the judge was biased towards the prosecution in his summing up. I also think that judge sounded rather biased, but that appeal was dismissed.

Apart from that, what made it unfair? One can say now that new things have come to light, but does that make the original trial unfair?

The question of exactly how new those 'things' are, may be in direct proportion to how fair the trial or even appeal, was.

[lucy70]

Lucy I will find the information tonight or tomorrow.  Mike might have it already.  You are questioning what I have put do you know different?

Please correct me if you do

I remember Mike referring to it somewhere.

Must be true then ;-)

[lucy70]

Lucy I will find the information tonight or tomorrow.  Mike might have it already.  You are questioning what I have put do you know different?

Please correct me if you do

No of course I don't know differently.
Would just like to see some real evidence that things are being witheld rather than someone just stating it as such on here.

[andrea]

the police are holding evidence under pii rules, its not speculation its fact, jb has been refused many times  by ep when asking for certain information.

[lucy70]

the police are holding evidence under pii rules, its not speculation its fact, jb has been refused many times  by ep when asking for certain information.

Yes they're holding information but doubt if it's as much or as crucial as some on here would like to think.

[Roch]

the police are holding evidence under pii rules, its not speculation its fact, jb has been refused many times  by ep when asking for certain information.

Yes they're holding information but doubt if it's as much or as crucial as some on here would like to think.

Lucy do you think there is a possibility that PII could be misused?  I can see your point but I cant see the reasons for using PII in this case.  Examples given on this site for use of PII have been unpleasant details of sex murders linked to psycopathic serial killers or espionage / national security issues.

[shonapugs]

Re: JB looking guilty, my doubts began when I saw pictures of him at the funeral, wearing that pathetic "poor me" expression.

[Kaldin]

Re: JB looking guilty, my doubts began when I saw pictures of him at the funeral, wearing that pathetic "poor me" expression.

It did look rather fake, but I wonder if that's because he knew the press were there and he knew that everyone would be looking at him. You know how it is when people expect you to be a certain way - you become self-conscious and worry about how you're appearing to others.

[grahameb]

Lucy I will find the information tonight or tomorrow.  Mike might have it already.  You are questioning what I have put do you know different?

Please correct me if you do

I remember Mike referring to it somewhere.

Must be true then ;-)

I see you're used to facebook. We do have smilies here you know. Careful with the sarcasm it doesn't go down well here see? a smilie.

[lucy70]

the police are holding evidence under pii rules, its not speculation its fact, jb has been refused many times  by ep when asking for certain information.

Yes they're holding information but doubt if it's as much or as crucial as some on here would like to think.

Lucy do you think there is a possibility that PII could be misused?  I can see your point but I cant see the reasons for using PII in this case.  Examples given on this site for use of PII have been unpleasant details of sex murders linked to psycopathic serial killers or espionage / national security issues.

Yes of course it could be misused and yes of course they mucked up the investigation, but think that was mainly due to their initial assumption that Sheila was responsible. An assumption that was brought about by JB's statement about his 'mad' sister who was having psychiatric treatment.

[grahameb]

the police are holding evidence under pii rules, its not speculation its fact, jb has been refused many times  by ep when asking for certain information.

Yes they're holding information but doubt if it's as much or as crucial as some on here would like to think.

Why hold it then?

[Jackiepreece]

Lucy70 read the thread re Essex standard that will tell you more

Lucy70 do you think it will be brilliant if JB could get access to the recordings that night the names don't have to be released

[Roch]

the police are holding evidence under pii rules, its not speculation its fact, jb has been refused many times  by ep when asking for certain information.

Yes they're holding information but doubt if it's as much or as crucial as some on here would like to think.

Lucy do you think there is a possibility that PII could be misused?  I can see your point but I cant see the reasons for using PII in this case.  Examples given on this site for use of PII have been unpleasant details of sex murders linked to psycopathic serial killers or espionage / national security issues.

Yes of course it could be misused and yes of course they mucked up the investigation, but think that was mainly due to their initial assumption that Sheila was responsible. An assumption that was brought about by JB's statement about his 'mad' sister who was having psychiatric treatment.

Ok thanks for reply. 

[lucy70]

the police are holding evidence under pii rules, its not speculation its fact, jb has been refused many times  by ep when asking for certain information.

Yes they're holding information but doubt if it's as much or as crucial as some on here would like to think.

Why hold it then?

Maybe because it's not relevant?  I don't know so am not going to guess but since haven't seen any evidence at all that they are actually witholding this massive amount of evidence why should I believe that that's true?

[shonapugs]

Bless you, Kaldin, you truly are the voice of reason! And I know what you mean. But I can't help feeling that if my closest relatives were all dead, in such horrific circumstances, I'd only just be clinging on to sanity myself, not wondering if the camera was capturing my best side (and little kiss-curl). And yes, I know that they were not blood-relations, Jack, before you jump in, but they were the only family he'd ever known. But I guess that we're all different, and JB might have been made of sterner stuff. But, I'm sorry, he (and JM) really did look very, very dodgy.