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Offline mike tesko

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In COLP documents, disclosed after the failed 2002 appeal, they refer to 70 or more photographs taken at the scene either by PC Bird, or by way of still images taken from video of the crime scene, which they did not copy. Many of these uncopied photographs show the general state of play covering the transformation of Sheila's body on top of the bed in the main bedroom at a time when she only had one bullet wound on her throat, culminating in her body ending up on the bedroom floor in the recovery pisition with two bullet wounds thus in her throat, and eventually her body rolled onto its back, and the rifle placed conveniently upon her body, with her hands placed upon and around it, and the open pages of the blue bible placed above bloodstaining on the bedroom carpet where Sheila's head had been resting immediayely after police have moved herbody from on top of the bed, onto the bedroom floor into the recovery position...
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From my point of view, Jeremys legal team need to request copies of the photograph which COLP seized from inside Simpsons office safe, and the other 70 odd photographs which COLP refused to copy as part of thier investigation...
« Last Edit: June 13, 2015, 09:56:AM by mike tesko »
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From my point of view, Jeremys legal team need to request copies of the photograph which COLP seized from inside Simpsons office safe, and the other 70 odd photographs which COLP refused to copy as part of thier investigation...

This would be a good starting point towards exposing the true events which took place inside the farmhouse once police entered at just after 7.30am, but in particular what actually happened to Sheila's body between 9 and 10 O' clock, before PC Bird had the opportunity to take a series of misleading photographs from 10 O ' clock, onwards...
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The photographs shown to the jury, and which are contained in the wrongly named, "MASTER COPY ALBUM",  consisting of 223 photographs, only show the position and location of victims bodies as they had been set, at and by 10 O'clock that morning - by which time the bodies had all been man handled by the police and stage managed...
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Everyone can tell that the bodies of victims have been stage managed, and the jury were influenced by what they saw in the same images. The bodies of the 5 victims were most definately not found in the positiins and locations shown in photographs taken by PC Bird. This is borne out by the fact that not one firearm officer attended the trila, who was shown these photographs, who confirmed that the photographs were exactly as each body had been found inside the farmhouse between 7.30 and 8.10am, that morning...

The only person who was called to testify regarding what could be seen in these photographs was PC Bird, who's main role was to confirm the sequence with which he had taken the photographs at the scene, from 10am, onwards...
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There was a fundamental failure on the part of the prosecutions case at trial stage, to prove that the position of the 5 victims bodies, as shown in PC Birds photographs which he took at the scene from 10 O' clock onwards, had been the original position and locations they had been found in, between 7.30 and 8.10am, that morning...
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There was a fundamental failure on the part of the prosecutions case at trial stage, to prove that the position of the 5 victims bodies, as shown in PC Birds photographs which he took at the scene from 10 O' clock onwards, had been the original position and locations they had been found in, between 7.30 and 8.10am, that morning...

Linked to this matter, was the deliberate withholding of the various police log messages, which record crucial facts regarding the discovery of 2 bodies downstairs upon entry, and the other 3 bodies found upstairs...

Had there been disclosue of the aforementioned police log contents, a significant amount of doubt would have been cast upon the claim that PC Birds photographs represented how the bodies of victims had been found, untouched, undisturbed, one hour and a half, to one hour, earlier...
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In my opinion, the jury were hoodwinked into falsly believing that the photographs taken by PC Bird at the scene after 10 O'clock, represented the exact position and location the 5 bodies had been found in upon entry to the farmhouse, but according to these photographs, the bodies of 4 victims were photographed insitu upstairs after 10 O'clock when the log contents clearly state there were only 3 bodies discovered upstairs and similarly the photographs taken after 10 O'clock, shows only 1 body downstairs in the kitchen, whereas the police log contents confirm the presence of two bodies...,
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In my opinion, the jury were hoodwinked into falsly believing that the photographs taken by PC Bird at the scene after 10 O'clock, represented the exact position and location the 5 bodies had been found in upon entry to the farmhouse, but according to these photographs, the bodies of 4 victims were photographed insitu upstairs after 10 O'clock when the log contents clearly state there were only 3 bodies discovered upstairs and similarly the photographs taken after 10 O'clock, shows only 1 body downstairs in the kitchen, whereas the police log contents confirm the presence of two bodies...,

More specifically, the police log contents describe the presence of one dead male "AND" the body of one dead male, downstairs in the kitchen, from as early as 7.37am, another confirms the presence of one dead male, one dead female at 7.38am, and yet another message timed at 8.42am, states the following, " CAN SOMEONE CONTACT THE POLICE SURGEON, AND THE CORONERS OFFICER, REGARDING TWO BODIES", and a further confirmation that at the beginning of the firearms operation once firearms officers had entered the farm house, is found timed at 8.45am, when a female operative with the Christian name of Linda, contacted DS Davidson at home, requesting him to attend the office because police at whf were dealing with an incident involving a murder, and a suicide...

These messages help to prove the presence of 2 bodies downstairs between 7.37 and 7.45am, with a further 3 bodies upstairs by 8.10am...

No evidence that these timed messages were in fact wrong, by the existence of additional messages being passed remedying any mistaken quote..,
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I regard myself as someone who looks at things from every possible angle, I approach things on the basis that was has been said, or done, is accurately reoirted, and alternatively, as if the same information or material, might not after all be true...

This forum is not a court of law which can make lawful or legal decisions. I make posts on the forum as though it were a diary in which I can record my thoughts and provide access to information never made public before. Sometimes I might post my thoughts on an issue, which at some other point I might say something contradicting what I've said earlier - when this happens I have not lied, since there could be any number of reasons why I may have changed my mind about something or other...

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I do not mind that people do not respond directly to any of my posts, or even if people disagree with what I am saying, what I am really interested in, are the reasons ehy people might think differently to me on a particular subject, issue, or matter. Perhaps they might have something to say which can make me change my mind about something or other?
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I regard myself as someone who looks at things from every possible angle, I approach things on the basis that was has been said, or done, is accurately reoirted, and alternatively, as if the same information or material, might not after all be true...

This forum is not a court of law which can make lawful or legal decisions. I make posts on the forum as though it were a diary in which I can record my thoughts and provide access to information never made public before. Sometimes I might post my thoughts on an issue, which at some other point I might say something contradicting what I've said earlier - when this happens I have not lied, since there could be any number of reasons why I may have changed my mind about something or other...


I do not mind that people do not respond directly to any of my posts, or even if people disagree with what I am saying, what I am really interested in, are the reasons ehy people might think differently to me on a particular subject, issue, or matter. Perhaps they might have something to say which can make me change my mind about something or other?


Mike, how lovely for you. It sounds as if you've just returned from a jolly with the lads to the Balearics. I hope you had a wonderful time.

I quite see that you write random thoughts -possibly inspired by other sources- diary fashion, which you appear to believe correct at the time because, on occasions, you have been known to become a smidgeon irate!!!! when these thoughts have been challenged although, at some point, it's highly likely that you'll refute the same thoughts. You say that when this happens "I have not lied" BUT there appear no guarantees that your source was telling the truth when they passed the information to you. It does appear, from what you tell us, that all your informants were literally "there at the kill" so it would seem far more plausible that you'd accept what THEY have to say above anything any of us might offer. It MAY be one reason, ie, the truth of what you have been told being disputed, why so few of us -other than Scipio who has more fire arms/legal knowledge than most of us- debate with you. SUCH a shame -AND a dilemma- when all any of us wants is the truth........ which is unlikely to be found in contradictory information, EVERY bit of which appears to be presented as THE truth.   

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In COLP documents, disclosed after the failed 2002 appeal, they refer to 70 or more photographs taken at the scene either by PC Bird, or by way of still images taken from video of the crime scene, which they did not copy. Many of these uncopied photographs show the general state of play covering the transformation of Sheila's body on top of the bed in the main bedroom at a time when she only had one bullet wound on her throat, culminating in her body ending up on the bedroom floor in the recovery pisition with two bullet wounds thus in her throat, and eventually her body rolled onto its back, and the rifle placed conveniently upon her body, with her hands placed upon and around it, and the open pages of the blue bible placed above bloodstaining on the bedroom carpet where Sheila's head had been resting immediayely after police have moved herbody from on top of the bed, onto the bedroom floor into the recovery position...

COLP saw all the photos.  Police had no reason to move any bodies and peopel who decided to move a body and lie about it being found elsewhere would not have taken photos to document the locaiton they found it thus proving they lied.  Nor would police retain such photos even after the case is over and hide them in a safe.  The whole story is absurd.  They would not have taken such photos in the first place, would have destroyed such photos if they had been taken as opposed to keeping them in a safe and the notion someone would know what is secretly in a high ranking officer's safe is also not credible.

Nor is it credible that police would provide such to Ewen Smith yet Ewen Smith to do nothing with them and then for you to steal such to mail to Jeremy. The whole story makes no sense on any level and you squarely place yourself in the middle by claiming to have personally seen it, taken it and sent it to Jeremy.

So instead of being a story simply made up by someone else and told to you it ends up being one you clearly made up a sizable portion (if not all of it) yourself.


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As a result of discovering the the 1 inch diameter circular mark around the first shot inflicted to Sheila's neck, Smith and Mallinson did a series of range tests involving use of a Anshuzt model 525 semi automatic rifle, .22 ammunition and a 17 baffled parker hale silencer. These range tests consisted of firing bullets into target paper at the range from measured distances of contact, 1", 2", 3", 4", 5" and 6". In total 14 shots were fired at the aforementioned distances, 7 with the parker hale silencer attached to the barrel of the anshuzt rifle, and a further 7 minus the parker hale silencer. The results at all measured distances produced slightly different resilts at each distance specified when the silenced tests were compared against the same unsilenced tests. What Smith and Mallinson then did, was to examine the two bullet wounds upon Sheila's throat using magnifying equipment to see whether or not, there was any evidence around each of the two entry wounds that provided a clue to how far from the surface of the skin the muzzle of the gun had been at the time each shot had been inflicted...

Smith and Mallinson used the ranging tests results aforementioned when performing this task...

Net result, was that they concluded the first shot was hard contact via use of a sound moderator, and that the second shot was inflicted by use of an unsilenced gun at close contact...

There wasn't any 1 inch circular mark on Sheila's neck. There was a 3/16" entrance mark with a bullet abrasion collar around it and the diameter of the collar was less than half an inch.  The wound was not a contact wound even so had zero ability to leave a muzzle imprint only hard contact wounds result in muzzle imprints.

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You need to get yourself a pair of glasses - try spec savers...
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