13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[scipio_usmc]

Some of the clothing worn by Sheila in her role as the killer was no doubt used by the police to try and control the spread of Ralph Bombers blood on the kitchen floor. After she killed Ralph she washed herself down as best she could and dried herself on a towel, which the police also used to control the spread of blood around the kitchen floor. Other items with her bloodvon were put into a plastic bucket of cold water, where three days later Ann Eaton found them and retained them...

There is not a shred of evidence that any clothing used by Sheila had any blood let alone that police decided to use such to clean up the scene.  You make up wacky things then claim there is no doubt they are true though there is in fact no doubt they are fairytales.

[scipio_usmc]

Hello Maggie

as I said earlier very difficult to plan a murder down to fine details with a case like this.  It is my opinion that the killer intended to kill Ralph as soon as possible why did he have to allow him to be downstairs he could have put the phone back in the bedroom and taken it off the cradle and pretended Ralph phoned him from there.  I have a feeling Scipio is going to tell me why my suggestion is not feasible

The plan wasn't for Nevill to go to the kitchen.  The plan was simply to kill Nevill while he was not sleeping in bed.  Sleeping in bed when shot = phone call impossible.  It was just a fluke that he failed to disable Nevill and that things progressed to the kitchen.  Had Nevill died in the bedroom he could have decided to replace the bedroom phone.  We have no way to know whether he would have tried to make it look like the bedroom phone was used or still have gone with the kitchen phone hoping to make it look like trouble started in the kitchen then progressed upstairs.  He could have done either it depends on what was going through his mind of what he wanted police to think.  He either didn't tell Julie enough of his plan for us to know whether he intended to replace the bedroom phone or not or he told Julie but she didn't pay close attention or remember because she thought he was just blowing smoke and thus only half listened.  Only Jeremy could tell us whether prior to committing the murders he was intending to replace the phone or not. I suspect he would have replaced it but my thought process and his are different.  Just take the Bible.  I still don't know what he was trying to accomplish with it.  If I wanted to make it look like she had been reading it though before killing herself I would have put it down by her waist. he clearly put it down after she was lying down flat.  But she would not have been lying down flat to read it. Putting it by her head helps show it was staged.  He wasn't as smart as he thinks he is. You have to be a veritable idiot though to kill someone in their sleep and claim they made a phone call to you.  That's something he would not have recognized for sure.

       

[susan]

The plan wasn't for Nevill to go to the kitchen.  The plan was simply to kill Nevill while he was not sleeping in bed.  Sleeping in bed when shot = phone call impossible.  It was just a fluke that he failed to disable Nevill and that things progressed to the kitchen.  Had Nevill died in the bedroom he could have decided to replace the bedroom phone.  We have no way to know whether he would have tried to make it look like the bedroom phone was used or still have gone with the kitchen phone hoping to make it look like trouble started in the kitchen then progressed upstairs.  He could have done either it depends on what was going through his mind of what he wanted police to think.  He either didn't tell Julie enough of his plan for us to know whether he intended to replace the bedroom phone or not or he told Julie but she didn't pay close attention or remember because she thought he was just blowing smoke and thus only half listened.  Only Jeremy could tell us whether prior to committing the murders he was intending to replace the phone or not. I suspect he would have replaced it but my thought process and his are different.  Just take the Bible.  I still don't know what he was trying to accomplish with it.  If I wanted to make it look like she had been reading it though before killing herself I would have put it down by her waist. he clearly put it down after she was lying down flat.  But she would not have been lying down flat to read it. Putting it by her head helps show it was staged.  He wasn't as smart as he thinks he is. You have to be a veritable idiot though to kill someone in their sleep and claim they made a phone call to you.  That's something he would not have recognized for sure.

       

Scipio  I have always been puzzled by the position of the bible just did not ring true where it was placed.  Have you any thoughts on the socks at the side of her body splattered with blood do you think Ralph left them there when he retired for bed.?

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio  I have always been puzzled by the position of the bible just did not ring true where it was placed.  Have you any thoughts on the socks at the side of her body splattered with blood do you think Ralph left them there when he retired for bed.?

They look unworn to me, maybe he left them there to put on in the morning?

[susan]

They look unworn to me, maybe he left them there to put on in the morning?

Scipio I have read on here that the socks belonged to Sheila this is why her feet were so clean but I think they belonged to Raloh quite often some men remove their socks before jumping into bed and throw them on the floor (not on my watch I may add)

[Alias]

I'm still curious why JB, who supposedly planned the murders for a year didn't make any attempt to put Nevill out of action, would have thought that would have been his first thought.  Why no shots to lower legs, it's very brutal but kneecapping is a sure way of incapacitating a person rather than pot shots at the head. Nevill's height was his best asset against JB so am surprised no attempt to bring him down. There were no missed shots to the lower body, so no attempt at all
Was made....... just thinking out loud really. 

Pretty good thoughts though. Good question.

[mike tesko]

If the killer didn't wear gloves then the killer's prints would have been in the blood that was on the rifle and that means blood would have been on the killer's hands to leave bloody prints on other objects the killer touched.  Moreover, when the stock broke the killer's hand would at minimum have been scratched and more likely cut. Sheila's hands had no scratches let alone cuts and there is no proof Jeremy's hands had any wounds either.

You deliberately ignore the fact that both Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, had things of importance together, which make the struggle far more likely to have been between Ralph and Sheila, rather than between Ralph and anyone else. You over look the fact that marks upon Ralph's  arm, and marks on Sheila's right wrist and right forearm, are perfectly consistent with both having been involved in some sort of a struggle together. Furthermore, both Ralph and Sheila had blood on the fingers of their hand. Additionally, sheila had blood on the soles of her feet indicating that June had already been shot before Sheila's feet got contaminated with Junes blood. Ralph had clean feet, thus enhancing the fact that he never entered the main bedroom after the shootings had started...

Bearing this in mind, the short conversation Ralph had on the phone to Jeremy, makes absolute sense, because by that stage all that Ralph knew for certain was that Sheila had got one of his guns, and that she had shot at him at least once, but possibly twice, and that she was going berserk. He didn't know at that stage that Sheila had shot June 5 times in the main bedroom, or that she had already killed her two young sons in the other bedroom. If Ralph had known this, he would not have wasted any time in phoning Jeremy, he would have called for the police, and ambulances...

[mike tesko]

Hello Mike is this your explanation why Sheila was so clean.  If what you have posted is what happened the police must have known that Sheila was the killer and Jeremy was innocent

I don't think by anybody's standards, you could say that Sheila was clean, because she wasn't spotlessly clean, she'd got blood on the soles of her feet, she'd got blood on her right wrist, and the top part of her right hand. She had bruising around her throat, and there were traces of what I believe to have been Ralph Bambers expiated blood on the front part of her nightdress, and Ralph Bambers bloodied fingermarks on the front lower part of her nightdress, indicating that at some point Sheila was stood above the cowering body of Ralph in the kitchen after she had shot him twice in the mouth,,,

[susan]

Mike thanks for posting that I knew nothing about all this I had seen a photo of stains on one of her feet but did not know about the finger marks on her nightdress.  All this throws a different light on things.  Am I right in thinking you like lookout think Ralph was shot in the kitchen and was never in the bedroom?

[mike tesko]

If the killer didn't wear gloves then the killer's prints would have been in the blood that was on the rifle and that means blood would have been on the killer's hands to leave bloody prints on other objects the killer touched.  Moreover, when the stock broke the killer's hand would at minimum have been scratched and more likely cut. Sheila's hands had no scratches let alone cuts and there is no proof Jeremy's hands had any wounds either.

Visit specsavers first, and then look at the scratch marks, bruises and the like present on her right forearm in photo's posted in the archives, then repeat what you've just said without laughing...

[maggie]

The plan wasn't for Nevill to go to the kitchen.  The plan was simply to kill Nevill while he was not sleeping in bed.  Sleeping in bed when shot = phone call impossible.  It was just a fluke that he failed to disable Nevill and that things progressed to the kitchen.  Had Nevill died in the bedroom he could have decided to replace the bedroom phone.  We have no way to know whether he would have tried to make it look like the bedroom phone was used or still have gone with the kitchen phone hoping to make it look like trouble started in the kitchen then progressed upstairs.  He could have done either it depends on what was going through his mind of what he wanted police to think.  He either didn't tell Julie enough of his plan for us to know whether he intended to replace the bedroom phone or not or he told Julie but she didn't pay close attention or remember because she thought he was just blowing smoke and thus only half listened.  Only Jeremy could tell us whether prior to committing the murders he was intending to replace the phone or not. I suspect he would have replaced it but my thought process and his are different.  Just take the Bible.  I still don't know what he was trying to accomplish with it.  If I wanted to make it look like she had been reading it though before killing herself I would have put it down by her waist. he clearly put it down after she was lying down flat.  But she would not have been lying down flat to read it. Putting it by her head helps show it was staged.  He wasn't as smart as he thinks he is. You have to be a veritable idiot though to kill someone in their sleep and claim they made a phone call to you.  That's something he would not have recognized for sure.

       

You did post to me not very long ago that JB wanted Nevill to die in the kitchen but see you have now changed your stance.

[mike tesko]

Mike thanks for posting that I knew nothing about all this I had seen a photo of stains on one of her feet but did not know about the finger marks on her nightdress.  All this throws a different light on things.  Am I right in thinking you like lookout think Ralph was shot in the kitchen and was never in the bedroom?

I believe that he was shot a total of 6 times whilst he was downstairs in the main kitchen, consisting of two bullets to the mouth, and a further 4 bullets to his head. I also believe that wound (7) was inflicted was Ralph was approaching the top of the main stairs...

[susan]

I believe that he was shot a total of 6 times whilst he was downstairs in the main kitchen, consisting of two bullets to the mouth, and a further 4 bullets to his head. I also believe that wound (7) was inflicted which Ralph was approaching the top of the main stairs...

Mike that is very interesting.

[scipio_usmc]

You did post to me not very long ago that JB wanted Nevill to die in the kitchen but see you have now changed your stance.

No I didn't. I said JB didn't want Nevill to die in the bed.  The fight in the kitchen occurred because Nevill wasn't disabled by the time the gun was empty.

[scipio_usmc]

You deliberately ignore the fact that both Ralph Bamber, and Sheila Caffell, had things of importance together, which make the struggle far more likely to have been between Ralph and Sheila, rather than between Ralph and anyone else. You over look the fact that marks upon Ralph's  arm, and marks on Sheila's right wrist and right forearm, are perfectly consistent with both having been involved in some sort of a struggle together. Furthermore, both Ralph and Sheila had blood on the fingers of their hand. Additionally, sheila had blood on the soles of her feet indicating that June had already been shot before Sheila's feet got contaminated with Junes blood. Ralph had clean feet, thus enhancing the fact that he never entered the main bedroom after the shootings had started...

Bearing this in mind, the short conversation Ralph had on the phone to Jeremy, makes absolute sense, because by that stage all that Ralph knew for certain was that Sheila had got one of his guns, and that she had shot at him at least once, but possibly twice, and that she was going berserk. He didn't know at that stage that Sheila had shot June 5 times in the main bedroom, or that she had already killed her two young sons in the other bedroom. If Ralph had known this, he would not have wasted any time in phoning Jeremy, he would have called for the police, and ambulances...

The wounds on Nevill were made by the rifle.  Sheila had no wounds to her body besides her gunshot wounds.  Sheila had no blood on her fingers only on her outside palm by her wrist and it dripped from there down her arm to her elbow. That blood dripped from her wound when she tried to plug it with her palm/wrist.

Your supposed photos are never what you claim just like the photo of Nevill's right forearm which you tried to claim was an exit wound above his left elbow.  You just pretend photos show anything you like instead of accepting what they actually show.