13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[scipio_usmc]

The gouge marks appear to be made with the muzzle end, not moderator. 
I don´t think the single wound in the photo where there is only one wound is the same as the others. I could be wrong, it just appears different,

To people who know nothing about guns perhaps. Those are the kinds of marks typical when hit with the butt of a rifle. The more rounded gouges are made by the corners digging in while glancing blows leave linear abrasions.  People don't stab with the barrel of a weapon unless there is a bayonet attached. Stabbing wiht the front of a barrel is impractical.

[Alias]

I agree, it's just that Scope suggested the solitary exit wound mark was caused by the muzzle of the rifle...

 

[mike tesko]

To people who know nothing about guns perhaps. Those are the kinds of marks typical when hit with the butt of a rifle. The more rounded gouges are made by the corners digging in while glancing blows leave linear abrasions.  People don't stab with the barrel of a weapon unless there is a bayonet attached. Stabbing wiht the front of a barrel is impractical.

So, why would Sheila be striking Ralph with the butt of the rifle, if she still had bullets in the gun, and where did the striking in this manner occur, upstairs in the bedroom, or downstairs in the kitchen?

[scipio_usmc]

Next, he'll be saying the gouges were caused by Sheila's earrings, or her necklace...

I have always said the gouges were made by the stock.  I have seen wounds made by rifles, the military happens to use the butt of a rifle as a weapon.  Some of the abrasions are much too thick and large to have been made by the barrel of the weapon.  Something wider made them.  Something the same exact size as the stock. The smaller deeper digs were made by the corner of the stock.  His head was bashed in by the stock as well. The killer was bashing him with the stock and he tried to block the blows with his arm but could not block them all and was thus knocked out.   

[mike tesko]

I have always said the gouges were made by the stock.  I have seen wounds made by rifles, the military happens to use the butt of a rifle as a weapon.  Some of the abrasions are much too thick and large to have been made by the barrel of the weapon.  Something wider made them.  Something the same exact size as the stock. The smaller deeper digs were made by the corner of the stock.  His head was bashed in by the stock as well. The killer was bashing him with the stock and he tried to block the blows with his arm but could not block them all and was thus knocked out.   

So, all this took place, where? Upstairs or downstairs?

[scipio_usmc]

So, why would Sheila be striking Ralph with the butt of the rifle, if she still had bullets in the gun, and where did the striking in this manner occur, upstairs in the bedroom, or downstairs in the kitchen?

Jeremy committed the murders not Sheila but in any event the gun was emptied in the master bedroom.  The killer then ran to the kitchen to try to reload but Nevill chased the killer and confronted the killer to try to prevent the killer from reloading- resulting in the struggle or Nevill ran to the kitchen to try to arm himself and the killer chased him, caught up in the kitchen then the struggle occurred. AFTER Nevill was knocked out the killer was then able to reload and shot Nevill 4 times in the head killing him.

[scipio_usmc]

So, all this took place, where? Upstairs or downstairs?

After the gun was empty the killer and Nevill left the master bedroom and fought in the kitchen.

[mike tesko]

Jeremy committed the murders not Sheila but in any event the gun was emptied in the master bedroom.  The killer then ran to the kitchen to try to reload but Nevill chased the killer and confronted the killer to try to prevent the killer from reloading- resulting in the struggle or Nevill ran to the kitchen to try to arm himself and the killer chased him, caught up in the kitchen then the struggle occurred. AFTER Nevill was knocked out the killer was then able to reload and shot Nevill 4 times in the head killing him.

Sheila killed the other four victims, Jeremy did not kill anybody....

What affect would it have had if Sheila Wielded the rifle in the manner you suggest during her attack upon Ralph, with no bullets left in the .22 bolt action rifle...

[mike tesko]

Sheila killed the other four victims, Jeremy did not kill anybody....

What affect would it have had if Sheila Wielded the rifle in the manner you suggest during her attack upon Ralph, with no bullets left in the .22 bolt action rifle...

Would the same injuries have occurred?

[mike tesko]

Could the gouge marks on the forearm, have been made when Sheila scratched and clawed at Ralphs arm during a struggle to take or keep possession of the gun?

[mike tesko]

So, in your opinion, Sheila ran out of bullets, who did she shoot, and how many times did she shoot her victims before she ran out of bullets, in order to end up downstairs in the kitchen, struggling with Ralph in the manner you describe?

[Alias]

Could the gouge marks on the forearm, have been made when Sheila scratched and clawed at Ralphs arm during a struggle to take or keep possession of the gun?

Personally I don´t believe so. Not at all.

[mike tesko]

Personally I don´t believe so. Not at all.

Police took an interest in a poker found in the kitchen....

[mike tesko]

The butt of which of the two rifles was used?

The bolt action rifles butt, or the anshuzt butt?

[scipio_usmc]

Would the same injuries have occurred?

There was no Bolt Action rifle at the scene. The injuries were made by the butt of the Anschutz.  It doesn't matter if you want to allege Mary Poppins did it- the wounds were made by the butt of the Anschutz regardless of who the killer was.