13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[mike tesko]

Here are the bullet wounds received by Ralph Bamber, as shown in diagrammatic form:-

Shots 7 and 8, were in my view inflicted when Ralph was coming up, or going down the main stairs. I arrive at this conclusion because of the angle at which the shots hit home. The other two so called 'non fatal' shots to the lip and the jaw, shots 5 and 6, were inflicted downstairs in the kitchen when Ralph Bamber was using the telephone, during his call to police at 3.26am, after he had already made a very brief call to his son Jeremy, I arrive at this conclusion because the angle at which Ralph received both of these shots (5 and 6) is consistent with the shooter aiming at his mouth to try to stop him talking further on the telephone ...

[mike tesko]

Shots, 1, 2, 3 and 4, were received downstairs in the kitchen, 'coup de grace'...

PV/2 a .22LR Bullet (2.4267g/ 37.45 grain) - left arm (1) Fired in bolt action rifle...

[susan]

Hello Mike  do you think Ralph was shot in the main bedroom or in the kitchen or in both places I thought Scipio said 10 casings found in bedroom are you saying thirteen.

[mike tesko]

Hello Mike  do you think Ralph was shot in the main bedroom or in the kitchen or in both places I thought Scipio said 10 casings found in bedroom are you saying thirteen.

He claims there were 13 cartridge casings found in the bedroom, I believe there should have been only 8...

I think Ralph got shot coming up, or going down the main stairs towards or from the top landing, (shots 7 and 8), and again, shot in the region of his mouth (shots 5 and 6) whilst having made use of the telephone downstairs in the kitchen - I do not believe that Ralph made it to the main bedroom once the shots started getting fired. There is no blood spatter or expiated bloodstaining that would be associated with bullets to his mouth, anywhere along the journey it would have entailed. Attributing four additional cartridge cases to the main bedroom scenario does nothing toward proving Ralph had been shot there four times, particularly when there exists clear evidence that PI Bob Miller drafted up a document vacating four of the original exhibits bearing identifying marks of DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4, these subsequently being replaced by four cartridge cases, producing Scipio's total of 12, with an additional cartridge case on the top landing close to the main bedroom door...

Hope this explanation helps...

[susan]

Mike thanks for that explanation it helps clear things up in my mind and it looks as if lookout was right that Ralph was shot in the kitchen and never made it upstairs.

[mike tesko]

Here is one of the entries from the firearms dealers (Radcliffes) records confirming the date, quantity, and type of ammunition, purchased by Ralph Bamber, on the 30th November 1984 - Eley .22 subsonic (500 rounds)...

[mike tesko]

I have the full records, relating to this transaction, it does not say that the .22 subsonic ammunition consisting of 500 rounds was LR, or hollow pointed...

[mike tesko]

I have the full records, relating to this transaction, it does not say that the .22 subsonic ammunition consisting of 500 rounds was LR, or hollow pointed...

I suppose now is the correct moment for me to post the full record, for future reference purposes...

Hang on, I'll photograph it now, then post it up in a few minutes, bear with me:-

[mike tesko]

I suppose now is the correct moment for me to post the full record, for future reference purposes...

Hang on, I'll photograph it now, then post it up in a few minutes, bear with me:-

So, there is no evidence at all that Ralph Bamber purchased any .22LR subsonic hollow point ammunition at any stage / time, and so with this in mind, to whom did the .22LR bullets used in the shootings belong to, or originate from?

[mike tesko]

Now, we can see from the now known facts that each of Sheila's four victims was shot at least once by use of the second principle rifle, containing the .22LR bullets, as follows:-

Main bedroom - June Bamber shot 5 times by use of .22LR ammunition
Child's bedroom - Daniel Caffell, shot once by use of . 22LR ammunition
Child's bedroom - Nicholas Caffell, shot once by use of .22LR ammunition
Main stairs - Ralph Bamber, shot once by use of .22LR ammunition...

[mike tesko]

Now, we can see from the now known facts that each of Sheila's four victims was shot at least once by use of the second principle rifle, containing the .22LR bullets, as follows:-

Main bedroom - June Bamber shot 5 times by use of .22LR ammunition
Child's bedroom - Daniel Caffell, shot once by use of . 22LR ammunition
Child's bedroom - Nicholas Caffell, shot once by use of .22LR ammunition
Main stairs - Ralph Bamber, shot once by use of .22LR ammunition...

The shooter who was Sheila, targeted her mother and vented her rage toward her by shooting her with five rounds of .22LR bullets before leaving the main bedroom, believing that she had shot dead her mother. Then Sheila went into the bedroom containing her two sons and shot each of them once with use of .22LR ammunition.Sometime afterwards, Ralph commenced his approach up the main stairs, and Sheila shot at him at least once, using .22LR ammunition, but possibly twice (bullet wounds 7 and 8). Due to the angle of inclination relating to bullet wounds 7 and 8, I believe that Ralph had reached the middle landing of the main stair when he was initially shot (8) at, and then upon him retreating back down the main stair, Sheila shot (7) at him as he fled downstairs on the main stair...

The cartridge recovered from the top landing close to the main bedroom door being part of the .22LR round (provisionally correct), and the dented cartridge recovered from the main stairs, being connected to the .22LR bullet (PV/2) which wounded Ralphs left neck...

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio any chance the killer used two different rifles because I always thought Ralph was near death when he was beaten so he must have received more than the 4 shots at that time.  Face on which side of the bed did Ralph sleep on?

No all 25 casings were determined to have been fired by the Anschutz.  Furthermore, the only 22LR weapon at WHF for the killer to access at the time of the murders was the Anschutz. If the killer had another weapon to turn to after firing the initial 10 shots in the bedroom then the killer would have fired more shots into Nevill then and there instead of things progressing to the kitchen.  If the killer had another loaded rifle in the kitchen then the killer would have used it to shoot Nevill instead of beating him.

The whole reason Nevill was beaten is because he was not injured enough to disable him and he was trying to take the rifle away from the killer and to prevent the killer from reloading.  The killer had to render him unconscious just to be able to reload.

[scipio_usmc]

Alias thanks for that I am trying to figure out in my mind who was shot first June or Ralph.

Probably June since she was shot at least 4 times while lying in bed while Nevill was seated or in the process of rising when he was shot.  His plan was to claim Nevill phoned him so that means he couldn't kill Nevill in his sleep he needed to give Nevill a chance to at least start getting out of bed before opening fire.

If Nevill had been killed in bed then the claim he made a call to Jeremy would not be credible in the least.

[Steve_uk]

No all 25 casings were determined to have been fired by the Anschutz.  Furthermore, the only 22LR weapon at WHF for the killer to access at the time of the murders was the Anschutz. If the killer had another weapon to turn to after firing the initial 10 shots in the bedroom then the killer would have fired more shots into Nevill then and there instead of things progressing to the kitchen.  If the killer had another loaded rifle in the kitchen then the killer would have used it to shoot Nevill instead of beating him.

The whole reason Nevill was beaten is because he was not injured enough to disable him and he was trying to take the rifle away from the killer and to prevent the killer from reloading.  The killer had to render him unconscious just to be able to reload.

But then you would have had the problem of Nevill's body in the bedroom and Sheila might not have been so compliant had she seen it.

[scipio_usmc]

Here are the bullet wounds received by Ralph Bamber, as shown in diagrammatic form:-

Shots 7 and 8, were in my view inflicted when Ralph was coming up, or going down the main stairs. I arrive at this conclusion because of the angle at which the shots hit home. The other two so called 'non fatal' shots to the lip and the jaw, shots 5 and 6, were inflicted downstairs in the kitchen when Ralph Bamber was using the telephone, during his call to police at 3.26am, after he had already made a very brief call to his son Jeremy, I arrive at this conclusion because the angle at which Ralph received both of these shots (5 and 6) is consistent with the shooter aiming at his mouth to try to stop him talking further on the telephone ...

wound 7 was the wound to his outer left shoulder and 8 the graze wound which grazed his arm then his chest.

Had these been delivered in the hall then 2 less casings would have been found in the bedroom and instead they would have been found in the hallway.  Furtherore, the bullet that caused the graze wound would have been found on the stairs or in the wall adjacent to the stairs. Moreover, since the bullets came at Nevill's left side that means it is impossible for them to have been delivered when Neville was walking down the stairs because he left side would be to the wall it would  only be possible to target his left side if he was coming up the stairs.  Finally the angles were down but not very steep so he would have to be near the top of the stairs to be shot at those angles.

The evidence belies your claims.