13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[mike tesko]

Nothing could be clearer - Ralph had only been shot once by the time he made both of his distress calls, one to Jeremy, the other to the police, at around 3.25am...

Ralph was stood holding the telephone handset with his uninjured right hand, whilst gripping the edge of the kitchen work top with the bloody fingers of his left hand...

[mike tesko]

Drops of blood from his left arm wound dripped onto the kitchen floor directly beneath where his bloodied fingers was holding onto the edge of the kitchen worktop, whilst making the distress calls...

[mike tesko]

The attacks started with use of the bolt action rifle loaded with the heavier .22LR bullets, and escalated into use of the anshuzt rifle when the shooter ran into problems or ran out of ammunition in the bolt action rifle...

The location of the placed .22LR ammunition in each of the four victims is true testimony to what took place, it was a crime involving two principle rifles, which the authorities changed into a one gun, one batch of ammunition case...

[scipio_usmc]

Nothing could be clearer - Ralph had only been shot once by the time he made both of his distress calls, one to Jeremy, the other to the police, at around 3.25am...

Ralph was stood holding the telephone handset with his uninjured right hand, whilst gripping the edge of the kitchen work top with the bloody fingers of his left hand...

If Nevill had been shot before he called Jeremy then he would have called 999 not Jeremy.  Nevill was shot 4 times in a row in the master bedroom and never had any opportunity to call anyone after that, he couldn't speak and was busy engaged in a struggle with his killer in the kitchen.

 

[scipio_usmc]

The attacks started with use of the bolt action rifle loaded with the heavier .22LR bullets, and escalated into use of the anshuzt rifle when the shooter ran into problems or ran out of ammunition in the bolt action rifle...

The location of the placed .22LR ammunition in each of the four victims is true testimony to what took place, it was a crime involving two principle rifles, which the authorities changed into a one gun, one batch of ammunition case...

The ammunition proves only one rifle was used, the Anschutz.  You made up nonsense about shell casings being repalced and even made up a ficitonal ammo variety all to advance your claims.  It is simply nonsense.

[mike tesko]

If Nevill had been shot before he called Jeremy then he would have called 999 not Jeremy.  Nevill was shot 4 times in a row in the master bedroom and never had any opportunity to call anyone after that, he couldn't speak and was busy engaged in a struggle with his killer in the kitchen.

You don't know what Ralph would have done, or indeed did...

By the time he got to the kitchen,  Ralph had only been shot once.

[scipio_usmc]

You don't know what Ralph would have done, or indeed did...

By the time he got to the kitchen,  Ralph had only been shot once.

I know that if Nevill had been shot and yet he had gotten to a phone and been able to speak then he would have called for an ambulance if not police as opposed to calling Jeremy to "keep it in the family".

The evidence proves Nevill was shot 4 times in the master bedroom BEFORE he went to the kitchen.  All 4 shots were to his left profile he had his left profile facing the killer for all 4 shots.  He was not fully upright when shot in the arm. After the gun was emptied into June and Nevill, Nevill then went to the kitchen.  He did so either to arm himself with the killer chasing him and catching him in the kitchen or he chased the killer to prevent the killer from reloading.  Nevill was beaten unconscious, the killer partially reloaded then fired 4 shots into his head killing him.

You have zero evidence to establish Nevill was shot only once in the bedroom before going to the kitchen.  It is clear that the killer walked into the master bedroom and shot Nevill 4 times, June 6 times then things progressed to the kitchen.  Nevill never made any phone calls.

The evidence further proves that Sheila didn't load the weapon, didn't beat Nevill with the rifle and didn't shoot anyone with the rifle.  That means someone else was responsible for the murders. Nevill would not have phoned Jeremy falsely implicating Sheila.  That means Jeremy lied and the only way he would have been able to know there was trouble at WHF is if he was the one who killed everyone. 

Your claims are all fantasy fabrications not supported by any evidence just like your fantasy fabrication that Eley manufactured a 35 grain subsonic Hollow Point bullet and that this is what Nevill purchased.  Do a google search for 35 grain Eley subsonic Hollow Point.  You will find zilch, not on the web, not on google books- zilch.  You will only find references to Eley subsonic Hollow Point that weigh 40 grain because that is the actual weight and that has always been the weight. 

A handful of the bullet fragments that were recovered weighed more than 35 grains.  So you made up the claim the complete bullets Nevill purchased were 35 grain (which means you lied) and then lied further by claiming this proves the fragments that weighed more than 35 grains were a different caliber and were fired by a different gun than the murder weapon.  You relied on these lies as support for your claim that some of the casings had been planted by the lab and the corresponding real casings used were concealed.

This is all a wasted effort on your part.  Your lies are not working all they are doing is demonstrating your lack of candor and thus tarnishing your reputation.       

[lookout]

You don't know what Ralph would have done, or indeed did...

By the time he got to the kitchen,  Ralph had only been shot once.

Mike,would you know,or know of one of the cops who was actually at the crime scene ?

[mike tesko]

I know that if Nevill had been shot and yet he had gotten to a phone and been able to speak then he would have called for an ambulance if not police as opposed to calling Jeremy to "keep it in the family".

The evidence proves Nevill was shot 4 times in the master bedroom BEFORE he went to the kitchen.  All 4 shots were to his left profile he had his left profile facing the killer for all 4 shots.  He was not fully upright when shot in the arm. After the gun was emptied into June and Nevill, Nevill then went to the kitchen.  He did so either to arm himself with the killer chasing him and catching him in the kitchen or he chased the killer to prevent the killer from reloading.  Nevill was beaten unconscious, the killer partially reloaded then fired 4 shots into his head killing him.

You have zero evidence to establish Nevill was shot only once in the bedroom before going to the kitchen.  It is clear that the killer walked into the master bedroom and shot Nevill 4 times, June 6 times then things progressed to the kitchen.  Nevill never made any phone calls.

The evidence further proves that Sheila didn't load the weapon, didn't beat Nevill with the rifle and didn't shoot anyone with the rifle.  That means someone else was responsible for the murders. Nevill would not have phoned Jeremy falsely implicating Sheila.  That means Jeremy lied and the only way he would have been able to know there was trouble at WHF is if he was the one who killed everyone. 

Your claims are all fantasy fabrications not supported by any evidence just like your fantasy fabrication that Eley manufactured a 35 grain subsonic Hollow Point bullet and that this is what Nevill purchased.  Do a google search for 35 grain Eley subsonic Hollow Point.  You will find zilch, not on the web, not on google books- zilch.  You will only find references to Eley subsonic Hollow Point that weigh 40 grain because that is the actual weight and that has always been the weight. 

A handful of the bullet fragments that were recovered weighed more than 35 grains.  So you made up the claim the complete bullets Nevill purchased were 35 grain (which means you lied) and then lied further by claiming this proves the fragments that weighed more than 35 grains were a different caliber and were fired by a different gun than the murder weapon.  You relied on these lies as support for your claim that some of the casings had been planted by the lab and the corresponding real casings used were concealed.

This is all a wasted effort on your part.  Your lies are not working all they are doing is demonstrating your lack of candor and thus tarnishing your reputation.       

If Neville had already been shot 4 times upstairs in the bedroom, then at least one drop of his unique blood would have been deposited, ney I should say found somewhere in the bedroom, somewhere on the landing, somewhere on the main stairs, somewhere on the front hallway and passage, somewhere at the entrance to the main kitchen, but sadly none was found, because he wasn't shot 4 times in the manner described by you, otherwise there would have been his blood spilled everywhere. Not only that, but just to show how utterly bonkers your suggestion is, I can't begin to imagine Ralph having already been shot in the arm, his jaw, his lip, etc, attempting to make it downstairs without taking measures to stem the bleeding from these wounds using a towel or a piece of clothing or whatever. Your suggestion that he made it from the main bedroom all the way down to the kitchen with four bullets already pumped into him, without spilling a drop of blood, Is fanciful and somewhat ludicrous. Why would Ralph go downstairs after having been shot four times, if as you suggest he had got a mouthful of bullet? He certainly wouldn't be going downstairs to use the telephone if he couldn't speak, so why does he end up dead downstairs in the kitchen? How on earth can there be two different parts of the farmhouse where Ralph gets shot four tines, and there be no physical evidence of a blood trail involving his unique blood between the main bedroom upstairs, and the main kitchen downstairs?

Your scenario is unworkable...

[scipio_usmc]

If Neville had already been shot 4 times upstairs in the bedroom, then at least one drop of his unique blood would have been deposited, ney I should say found somewhere in the bedroom, somewhere on the landing, somewhere on the main stairs, somewhere on the front hallway and passage, somewhere at the entrance to the main kitchen, but sadly none was found, because he wasn't shot 4 times in the manner described by you, otherwise there would have been his blood spilled everywhere. Not only that, but just to show how utterly bonkers your suggestion is, I can't begin to imagine Ralph having already been shot in the arm, his jaw, his lip, etc, attempting to make it downstairs without taking measures to stem the bleeding from these wounds using a towel or a piece of clothing or whatever. Your suggestion that he made it from the main bedroom all the way down to the kitchen with four bullets already pumped into him, without spilling a drop of blood, Is fanciful and somewhat ludicrous. Why would Ralph go downstairs after having been shot four times, if as you suggest he had got a mouthful of bullet? He certainly wouldn't be going downstairs to use the telephone if he couldn't speak, so why does he end up dead downstairs in the kitchen? How on earth can there be two different parts of the farmhouse where Ralph gets shot four tines, and there be no physical evidence of a blood trail involving his unique blood between the main bedroom upstairs, and the main kitchen downstairs?

Your scenario is unworkable...

My scenario is supported by the evidence.  Yours is fictional and contradicted by the evidence.  All of the blood in the bedroom wasn't tested.  They only cut out a few pieces of carpet and destroyed the bedding at Jeremy's request.  They didn't test all the blood in the bedroom, that is why they didn't find his blood.  The bullet that grazed him was in the bedroom, the 4 casings from the 4 shots he suffered in the bedroom were found in the bedroom and he tracked blood to the kitchen- specifically by bumping into walls on his way to the kitchen- he wasn't profusely bleeding as you would like to suggest.  The majority of blood was inside his mouth.

[mike tesko]

My scenario is supported by the evidence.  Yours is fictional and contradicted by the evidence.  All of the blood in the bedroom wasn't tested.  They only cut out a few pieces of carpet and destroyed the bedding at Jeremy's request.  They didn't test all the blood in the bedroom, that is why they didn't find his blood.  The bullet that grazed him was in the bedroom, the 4 casings from the 4 shots he suffered in the bedroom were found in the bedroom and he tracked blood to the kitchen- specifically by bumping into walls on his way to the kitchen- he wasn't profusely bleeding as you would like to suggest.  The majority of blood was inside his mouth.

You are talking nonsense, they took many blood samples from the main bedroom carpet, and every single drop of blood that was tested was found to have AK 2-1 in it, a blood group unique to June Bamber. None of Ralph's blood was found anywhere in the bedroom because he was never shot whilst present in that bedroom. The police have gone on record as saying that the fact that a piece of carpet and the bedspread was destroyed at an early stage, that they had already got all the blood samples required to identify the donor of all the dripped blood (June Bamber), so that knocks your argument down, don't you agree? What is important, was the discovery of five separate blood stains upon the lower bedsheets, which the police were satisfied belonged to the shooting of June whilst she lay in bed asleep. It might be worth your while remembering that there was no other reference to any other blood staining found anywhere at all on the bed, none on the pillows, none on the bedroom carpet, so there it us all set out in front of you, so you see, you have been talking nonsense, there is no evidence, and there was no evidence that Ralph had been shot at all whilst he was inside the bedroom, the adding of four bullet cases to the bedroom scenario does not prove that Ralph had been shot at, at all in that bedroom, on the contrary it appears that by adding an additional four bullet cases to the main bedroom scenario, that these four bullet cases were simply added for the purpose of making it appear as though he had been...

[scipio_usmc]

You are talking nonsense, they took many blood samples from the main bedroom carpet, and every single drop of blood that was tested was found to have AK 2-1 in it, a blood group unique to June Bamber. None of Ralph's blood was found anywhere in the bedroom because he was never shot whilst present in that bedroom. The police have gone on record as saying that the fact that a piece of carpet and the bedspread was destroyed at an early stage, that they had already got all the blood samples required to identify the donor of all the dripped blood (June Bamber), so that knocks your argument down, don't you agree? What is important, was the discovery of five separate blood stains upon the lower bedsheets, which the police were satisfied belonged to the shooting of June whilst she lay in bed asleep. It might be worth your while remembering that there was no other reference to any other blood staining found anywhere at all on the bed, none on the pillows, none on the bedroom carpet, so there it us all set out in front of you, so you see, you have been talking nonsense, there is no evidence, and there was no evidence that Ralph had been shot at all whilst he was inside the bedroom, the adding of four bullet cases to the bedroom scenario does not prove that Ralph had been shot at, at all in that bedroom, on the contrary it appears that by adding an additional four bullet cases to the main bedroom scenario, that these four bullet cases were simply added for the purpose of making it appear as though he had been...

The defense expert report posted on this site (by the expert who examined the evidence) identified 2 carpet samples taken.  They tested 5 drops on each sample.  Your claim they tested the entire carpet is false.  Nor did they test the bedding.

You have zero evidence to establish someone planted the casings in the bedroom and also planted the bullet that grazed Nevill in the bedroom.  You are just tossing crap at the wall hoping some of it will stick and when you can no longer find anymore crap you take a dump so you can toss some more.

[mike tesko]

The defense expert report posted on this site (by the expert who examined the evidence) identified 2 carpet samples taken.  They tested 5 drops on each sample.  Your claim they tested the entire carpet is false.  Nor did they test the bedding.

You have zero evidence to establish someone planted the casings in the bedroom and also planted the bullet that grazed Nevill in the bedroom.  You are just tossing crap at the wall hoping some of it will stick and when you can no longer find anymore crap you take a dump so you can toss some more.

You are misleading every body regarding the areas from where they took blood samples from on  the main bedroom carpet, since although the samples taken were somewhat limited, these were  part of the same continuous blood trail...

Four bullet cases were added to the 8 originally found in the main bedroom, DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4, exhibits which were vacated to allow the introduction of four Dody cartridge cases into the main bedroom scenario so as to include the four alleged non fatal shots received by Ralph Bamber in the bedroom...

Let's put it this way, with bullets in his mouth in the bedroom there would have been expiated bloodstains all over the place but no such blood stains were found either in the main bedroom itself, or anywhere along the route from the main bedroom upstairs, to the main kitchen downstairs, no expiated blood staining on any carpet, no such blood staining on any wall or doorframe - tobput it bluntly there was no corresponding blood trail which was found or could be linked to Ralph Bamber, himself..

A small bloodstain on wall paper n the main stairs was 'O' type blood, which could have got carried and deposited there on Sheila's body, or either of the two principle rifles that were used in the shootings...

[mike tesko]

Now, may be the time to reveal, that Ralph Banner did not purchase Eley .22LR subsonic hollow point ammunition on the 30th November 1984. He actually purchased 500 rounds of Eley .22 subsonic ammunition, so once you know this to be true, it becomes plain as a pikestaff that the 8 .22LR bullets fired during the incident, belonged to someone else, not part of the same batch of 500 rounds of .22 subsonic ammunition purchased by Ralph Bamber. This of course now means that all 25 bullets did not originate from the same batch of crime scene ammunition...

[scipio_usmc]

You are misleading every body regarding the areas from where they took blood samples from on  the main bedroom carpet, since although the samples taken were somewhat limited, these were  part of the same continuous blood trail...

Four bullet cases were added to the 8 originally found in the main bedroom, DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4, exhibits which were vacated to allow the introduction of four Dody cartridge cases into the main bedroom scenario so as to include the four alleged non fatal shots received by Ralph Bamber in the bedroom...

Let's put it this way, with bullets in his mouth in the bedroom there would have been expiated bloodstains all over the place but no such blood stains were found either in the main bedroom itself, or anywhere along the route from the main bedroom upstairs, to the main kitchen downstairs, no expiated blood staining on any carpet, no such blood staining on any wall or doorframe - tobput it bluntly there was no corresponding blood trail which was found or could be linked to Ralph Bamber, himself..

A small bloodstain on wall paper n the main stairs was 'O' type blood, which could have got carried and deposited there on Sheila's body, or either of the two principle rifles that were used in the shootings...

You then admit they only tested what amounted to be part of June's blood trail around the bed not the entire rug.  This explains why they didn't find Nevill's blood in the bedroom since they only ended up testing part of the trail going from June's side of the bed to the other side- which was a trail from June.  This is a far cry from what you claimed of there being extensive testing without a drop of Nevill's blood found.  Extensive testing didn't occur.

You are again trotting out your ridiculous made up claim that DRH/1-4 were not shell casings but rather things seized from Julie's house and these 4 things were moved so that 4 shell casings could be added.  The initial day they ONLY inspected WHF and quite clearly the first 4 exhibits bagged and tagged by police would be from WHF not other locations.  So on top of not having evidence to back up your claims your claim makes zero sense and is clearly false.