13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[scipio_usmc]

The standard Eley manufacturers bullet weight for the type of ammunition purchased by Ralp Bamber weighed, 2.27 grams or 35 grain (2.26792)...

According to Eley's 1984 product catalog their 22LR subsonic Hollow Points weighed 40 grains.  According to every sales site selling older Eley product (1970s-1990 manufacture) their 22LR subsonic Hollow Points weighed 40 grains.  According to their current catalog their 22LR subsonic Hollow Points still weigh 40 grains.  There is no bullet seller out there with oldstock or new stock that has any 35 grain Eley subsonic Hollow Points and the reason why is because Eley never made any 35 grain subsonic hollow points. 

I emailed Eley and they responded that their hollow points are intended for use hunting small animals so the need is for a more substantial bullet than is the case for target shooting so they have not made one of less than 40 grains but have made some heavier ones.   

The ball is in your court to produce evidence that Eley made 35 grain subsonic hollow points decades ago and that this is the ammunition Nevill purchased.  Saying Nevill purchased ammunition that Eley never manufactured doesn't help enhance your reputation.   

[mike tesko]

According to Eley's 1984 product catalog their 22LR subsonic Hollow Points weighed 40 grains.  According to every sales site selling older Eley product (1970s-1990 manufacture) their 22LR subsonic Hollow Points weighed 40 grains.  According to their current catalog their 22LR subsonic Hollow Points still weigh 40 grains.  There is no bullet seller out there with oldstock or new stock that has any 35 grain Eley subsonic Hollow Points and the reason why is because Eley never made any 35 grain subsonic hollow points. 

I emailed Eley and they responded that their hollow points are intended for use hunting small animals so the need is for a more substantial bullet than is the case for target shooting so they have not made one of less than 40 grains but have made some heavier ones.   

The ball is in your court to produce evidence that Eley made 35 grain subsonic hollow points decades ago and that this is the ammunition Nevill purchased.  Saying Nevill purchased ammunition that Eley never manufactured doesn't help enhance your reputation.

Just goes to show you how wrong you have been...

[mike tesko]

You should take your own advice.  While I am using real facts you are making things up and it accomplishes nothing because made up things have no chance of convincing the COA to vacate Jeremy's conviction.  Nor will such sway objective, rational people believing Jeremy is innocent.  Only real evidence of his innocence would be able to do that.

Some of the bullet fragments were so small (including one bullet that was not recovered by Vanezis because it broke into such small pieces) that he couldn't assess they were subsonic 22LR hollow points just from the state of the fragments.  He had to use the casings in addition.  Making up that Sheila's initial wound was a jacketed round in either 5.56mm or .223 Remington accomplishes nothing except demonstrating you are dishonest.  Nothing establishes the wound was made by a high velocity, jacketed round let alone a round of larger size than 22LR.  No jacket was recovered, the bullet fragment recovered was .22 not 5.56mm or .223 Remington and two 22LR casings fired by the Anschutz were found near Sheila's body on the day of the murders.  Making up that the lab provided these casings a month later to plant is foolish given the photos and statements of those who viewed the scene on the day of the murders establishing the casings were there on the day of the murders.

   

Yes, I agree you are dishonest...

[mike tesko]

That's ok most of the documents the defense claims about are not even from 1986.  They complain about only being provided the COLP statements and official COLP report but not all the other materials like private thoughts of the investigators.  This makes up the bulk of what they moan about not having been provided.

The PII stuff is just a BS excuse. They found zilch to exonerate Jeremy among the documents that would do so if her were innocent.  They want to pretend he is innocent though so claim documents that could clear him are being hidden.  The key things were all released- the statements, the notebooks...these are the documents that would provide clues if the police had framed him.

Speaking of pocketbooks, the handwritten notes of DS Jones, pertaining to the incidents at whf were recorded in an old out of date blank pocketbook issued to Jones months and months beforehand. It appears that these corrupt officers all had access to, and use of additional pocketbooks, in which they could record information as though it had been written up contemporaneously, when the couldn't have been. DS Jones had a lot to answer for, he was at the forefront of the false case they brought against Jeremy, that is for sure...

[mike tesko]

My facts are straight.  You are the liar not me.  Eley NEVER manufactured any subsonic hollow points in 35 grain.  I already produced an image of the exact packaging of the 40 grain rounds purchased by Nevill. 

I just produced the stats from Eley itself related to their 22LR subsonic Hollow points.

Go ahead and produce evidence that back in 1984 (when Nevill purchased the ammo) they used to make a 35 grain 22LR unjacketed hollow point.  You won't be able to because they didn't you simply made it up.

So not only can't you prove that Nevill bought 35 grain bullets even worse you can't even prove that in the early '80s Eley made a 22LR subsonic Hollow Point that weighed 35 grains.  You made up the claim they made 35 grain bullets, made up the claim Nevill bought such bullets and then piggybacked these lies with your lie that this means some of the bullets in the victims were larger than those bought by Nevill so had to have been fired by a different weapon.

Your ultimate lie still fails even if the bullets had been larger because the murder weapon could fire any 22LR bullet including 60 grain 22LR bullets.  So it still would fail to prove another weapon were used even if some of the 22LR bullets had been bigger than others.  But there is zero evidence any were bigger.  To try pretending some were bigger you created the lie that the complete bullets weighed 35 grain when in fact they weighed 40 grain.  Your antics just demonstrate your dishonesty nothing more.

I have no idea what you think you gain by such.

You are the liar, not me...

I don't have to do anything to prove to you that what I'm saying is true, or was true, and I won't at this stage, I'll just let you dig a deeper hole into which you are falling into. You never have anything constructive to say, all you can keep saying is thatvI am a liar, that I am dishonest, etc, etc, your script is now getting rather monotonous, when you eventually come to accept that the .22 bullets purchased by Ralph Bamber weighed 2.27gram / 35 grain, you won't even apologise for your mistake, that's because you are a conman...

The hole you are digging for yourself to fall into is getting deeper and deeper...

[mike tesko]

You are dishonest, and a lying toe rag...

[scipio_usmc]

You are the liar, not me...

I don't have to do anything to prove to you that what I'm saying is true, or was true, and I won't at this stage, I'll just let you dig a deeper hole into which you are falling into. You never have anything constructive to say, all you can keep saying is thatvI am a liar, that I am dishonest, etc, etc, your script is now getting rather monotonous, when you eventually come to accept that the .22 bullets purchased by Ralph Bamber weighed 2.27gram / 35 grain, you won't even apologise for your mistake, that's because you are a conman...

The hole you are digging for yourself to fall into is getting deeper and deeper...

You have failed to prove me to be wrong about anything I said let alone to be a liar.  I produced evidence that Eley's subsonic 22LR Hollow Points are 40 grain.  You have produced zero evidence to establish Eley ever made 35 grain subsonic hollow points let alone any evidence that Nevill purchased such.  You simply looked at the weights of the fragments, saw that some were above 35 grains and made up the LIE that Nevill had 35 grain bullets so you could then falsely claim some of the bullets used on the victims were larger than the bullets Nevill bought. 

You are right you have no need to produce any evidence to back up your claims but if you fail to do so then there is no reason for anyone to believe you and more importantly if you fail to do so it will demonstrate to rational people you can't and that you simply lied.  What you should do is admit your claims were false or produce credible evidence that Eley used to make 35 grain subsonic Hollow Points and evidence that this is what Nevill purchased.

Naturally you will do neither and just continue full speed ahead with your bogus claims which is pointless because you are not fooling anyone.

[mike tesko]

You have failed to prove me to be wrong about anything I said let alone to be a liar.  I produced evidence that Eley's subsonic 22LR Hollow Points are 40 grain.  You have produced zero evidence to establish Eley ever made 35 grain subsonic hollow points let alone any evidence that Nevill purchased such.  You simply looked at the weights of the fragments, saw that some were above 35 grains and made up the LIE that Nevill had 35 grain bullets so you could then falsely claim some of the bullets used on the victims were larger than the bullets Nevill bought. 

You are right you have no need to produce any evidence to back up your claims but if you fail to do so then there is no reason for anyone to believe you and more importantly if you fail to do so it will demonstrate to rational people you can't and that you simply lied.  What you should do is admit your claims were false or produce credible evidence that Eley used to make 35 grain subsonic Hollow Points and evidence that this is what Nevill purchased.

Naturally you will do neither and just continue full speed ahead with your bogus claims which is pointless because you are not fooling anyone.

Just waffle, you simply have not got anything constructive to say so you keep relying on the same old script that is embedded in your head...

The bullets Ralph Bamber purchased were 35 grain, not 40 grain...

[mike tesko]

The 40 grain weight ammunition was purchased by Anthony Pargeter and kept with his rifle and shotgun at the scene...

[scipio_usmc]

Just waffle, you simply have not got anything constructive to say so you keep relying on the same old script that is embedded in your head...

The bullets Ralph Bamber purchased were 35 grain, not 40 grain...

Eley didn't make 35 grain ammunition you made this up.  I have challenged you to produce evidence they manufactured such, that is EASIER than proving Nevill bought such which would be a different question.  You can't provide any evidence because you simply made it up. Eley's subsonic 22LR Hollow Points are 40 grain and have always been 40 grain.

[mike tesko]

Pargeter made a witness statement to Essex police stating that his rifle was kept at the scene, but that he removed the bolt and took that home with him so that nobody could fire it in his absence...

[mike tesko]

Eley didn't make 35 grain ammunition you made this up.  I have challenged you to produce evidence they manufactured such, that is EASIER than proving Nevill bought such which would be a different question.  You can't provide any evidence because you simply made it up. Eley's subsonic 22LR Hollow Points are 40 grain and have always been 40 grain.

No, I haven't made it up - it was the police who suggested that Ralph Bamber purchased .22LR subsonic hollow point ammunition, because other .22LR ammunition used in the shootings actually belonged to Anthony Pargeter, so get your facts right...

The bolt action rifle fired all the .22LR ammunition which was 40 grain rounds...

Ralph Bamber

PV/2 a .22LR Bullet (2.4267g/ 37.45 grain) - left arm (1) Fired in bolt action rifle...
PV/4 a .22 Bullet (2.0999g) - Top front of skull
PV/3 a .22 Bullet (1.9368g) - Top of skull
PV/11 a .22 Bullet (1.93g) - Left side of neck
PV/8 a .22 Bullet (1.63g) - Left side base of skull
PV/10 a Bullet (1.14g) - Left side of neck
PV/5 a Fragment of a Bullet (Not weighed) - Left Jaw
PV/9 a .22 Bullet (Not weighed) - Top left side of brain

June Bamber

PV/24 a .22 Bullet (2.4208g) Right side of spine
PV/23 a .22LR Bullet (2.29g) Chest (2) Fired in bolt action rifle...
PV/25 a .22 Bullet (1.79g) Front of head
PV/26 a .22 Bullet (1.7783g) Left side of brain

Daniel Caffell

PV/29 a .22 Bullet (2.13g / 32.87grain) Right side of head
PV/36 - a .22LR Bullet (2.03g) Right temple (3) Fired in bolt action rifle...
PV/34 a .22 Bullet (1.7972g) Inside of skull
PV/35 a .22 Part of a .22 Bullet (Not weighed) Right temple

Nicholas Caffell

PV/31 a .22 Bullet (2.1223g) Top right side of head
PV/30 a .22LR Bullet (2.03g) Top of head (4) Fired in bolt action rifle...

Sheila Caffell

PV/19 - a .22 Bullet (2.16g) Brain
PV/20 - a .22 Bullet (1.5453g) Right side of neck

Other

DRH/35 (a) - .22LR Bullet (2.44g) pillow in main bedroom  Fired in bolt action rifle...(5) June Bamber? Fired in bolt action rifle...
DRH/35 (b) - .22LR Bullet (2.43g) pillow in main bedroom  Fired in bolt action rifle...[color=green](6)[/color] June Bamber?
DRH/5 - .22LR Bullet (2.42g / 37.00 grain) Nr dressing table in main bedroom (7) Fired in bolt action rifle...
DRH/36 - .22LR Bullet (2.42g) Right edge of left bed in childrens bedroom (8)Fired in bolt action rifle...
DRH/9 - .22LR Bullet (1.67g / 25.8 grain) Bed in main bedroom (9) June Bamber?Fired in bolt action rifle...

[mike tesko]

The shooter used the bolt action rifle, and the .22LR ammunition and went to the main bedroom and shot June Bamber. The shooter then went into the bedroom where the children were sleeping and shot each of them in the head once, using the bolt action rifle with the 40 grain .22LR ammunition. The shooter then shot at Ralph Bamber using the bolt action rifle with the 40 grain .22LR ammunition, before he fled to the kitchen to raise the alarm by calling Jeremy, and then the police...

[mike tesko]

Ralph Bamber was shot in the arm by use of the bolt action rifle, before fleeing to the kitchen to raise the alarm by making calls to Jeremy and then to the police - he left bloodied fingermark impressions on the edge of the kitchen worktop whilst making these calls, blood from his wounded left arm (bloodied fingermarks on edge of kitchen worktop can clearly been seen nr the phone in crime scene images)...

Ralph Bamber

PV/2 a .22LR Bullet (2.4267g/ 37.45 grain) - left arm (1) Fired in bolt action rifle...

[mike tesko]

Bloodied finger marks from Ralph Bambers wounded left arm left on the edge of the kitchen worktop at the time he raised the alarm by telephoning Jeremy and the police, after he was shot only once by the bolt action rifle, and the .22LR ammunition...