13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[mike tesko]

Bamber told police that he left the anshuzt rifle with a fully loaded magazine, on the table in the kitchen - Now, there has been a bit of confusion surrounding what he means by his reference to "TABLE" in the "KITCHEN"? My understanding on questioning him at length on several occasions, is that his reference to the "TABLE" was in fact the settle bence in the hallway of the back kitchen, close to the rear external farm house door...

In any event, a magazine full of bullets, or as close to full as could possibly have been (10)

[mike tesko]

We know that 5 rounds which had originally been loaded into a 5 shot magazine, suspected of belonging to Anthony Pargeters bolt action rifle, had been removed and transferred into the 10 shot ammunition magazine, during the incident, and fired, because 5 cartridge cases were found to have got double magazine markings on them...

[mike tesko]

We know that 5 rounds which had originally been loaded into a 5 shot magazine, suspected of belonging to Anthony Pargeters bolt action rifle, had been removed and transferred into the 10 shot ammunition magazine, during the incident, and fired, because 5 cartridge cases were found to have got double magazine markings on them...

Based upon this detail, I believe it to be reasonable to conclude that the shooter may only have had to physically handle 5 bullets, not 15, with less likelihood of lead deposit becoming deposited on the shooters hands...

[mike tesko]

If I am right, and I am, it sheds a totally different light on the sequence of events involving the shooting of the victims during the tragedy...

What becomes apparent regarding my findings is that except for Sheila (in this presentation of the evidence), all the other four victims were shot by two different type of .22 ammunition (.22LR Bullets, and .22 Bullets). This throws doubt on the official explanation that this was a one gun crime, involving one type of the same batch of Eley ammunition...

Ralph Bamber

PV/2 a .22LR Bullet (2.4267g/ 37.45 grain) - left arm (1) - fired via second principle rifle
PV/4 a .22 Bullet (2.0999g) - Top front of skull - fired via first principle rifle
PV/3 a .22 Bullet (1.9368g) - Top of skull - fired via first principle rifle
PV/11 a .22 Bullet (1.93g) - Left side of neck - fired via first principle rifle
PV/8 a .22 Bullet (1.63g) - Left side base of skull - fired via first principle rifle
PV/10 a Bullet (1.14g) - Left side of neck - fired via first principle rifle
PV/5 a Fragment of a Bullet (Not weighed) - Left Jaw - fired via first principle rifle
PV/9 a .22 Bullet (Not weighed) - Top left side of brain - fired via first principle rifle

June Bamber

PV/24 a .22 Bullet (2.4208g) Right side of spine- fired via first principle rifle
PV/23 a .22LR Bullet (2.29g) Chest (2)fired via second principle rifle
PV/25 a .22 Bullet (1.79g) Front of head- fired via first principle rifle
PV/26 a .22 Bullet (1.7783g) Left side of brain- fired via first principle rifle

Daniel Caffell

PV/29 a .22 Bullet (2.13g / 32.87grain) Right side of head- fired via first principle rifle
PV/36 - a .22LR Bullet (2.03g) Right temple (3)fired via second principle rifle
PV/34 a .22 Bullet (1.7972g) Inside of skull- fired via first principle rifle
PV/35 a .22 Part of a .22 Bullet (Not weighed) Right temple- fired via first principle rifle

Nicholas Caffell

PV/31 a .22 Bullet (2.1223g) Top right side of head- fired via first principle rifle
PV/30 a .22LR Bullet (2.03g) Top of head (4)fired via second principle rifle

Sheila Caffell

PV/19 - a .22 Bullet (2.16g) Brain- fired via first principle rifle
PV/20 - a .22 Bullet (1.5453g) Right side of neck - Fired via police issue Mini Ruger 14

Other

DRH/35 (a) - .22LR Bullet (2.44g) pillow in main bedroom fired via second principle rifle(5) June Bamber?fired via second principle rifle
DRH/35 (b) - .22LR Bullet (2.43g) pillow in main bedroom fired via second principle rifle(6) June Bamber?fired via second principle rifle
DRH/5 - .22LR Bullet (2.42g / 37.00 grain) Nr dressing table in main bedroom (7)fired via second principle rifle
DRH/36 - .22LR Bullet (2.42g) Right edge of left bed in childrens bedroom (8)fired via second principle rifle
DRH/9 - .22LR Bullet (1.67g / 25.8 grain) Bed in main bedroom fired via second principle rifle(9) June Bamber?fired via second principle rifle

First principle rifle used in the shootings - Anshuzt Rifle
Second principle rifle used in the shootings - Bruno Rifle
Third rifle used in shootings - police issue mini Ruger 14

[mike tesko]

The above diagrammatic view is arguably the closest interpretation of which type of ammunition was used, in the different weapons, involving the shooting of the 5 victims...

[mike tesko]

First principle rifle used in the shootings - Anshuzt Rifle
Second principle rifle used in the shootings - Bruno Rifle
Third rifle used in shootings - police issue mini Ruger 14

Five of the 15 shots fired by way of the first principle rifle, anshulzt, had originally been loaded into the 5 shot ammunition magazine of the second principle rifle, Bruno, and removed, reloaded into the 10 shot magazine of the principle rifle (anshuzt) and fired...

[mike tesko]

Five of the 15 shots fired by way of the first principle rifle, anshulzt, had originally been loaded into the 5 shot ammunition magazine of the second principle rifle, Bruno, and removed, reloaded into the 10 shot magazine of the principle rifle (anshuzt) and fired...

Cartridge cases bearing evidence of double magazine markings upon them were found to be present in the following locations:-

Main bedroom - two
Child's bedroom - one
Kitchen - two...

[scipio_usmc]

PII didn't exist in 1986. There was Crown Privilege,  but they didn't record things in the same way as they do today.

That's ok most of the documents the defense claims about are not even from 1986.  They complain about only being provided the COLP statements and official COLP report but not all the other materials like private thoughts of the investigators.  This makes up the bulk of what they moan about not having been provided.

The PII stuff is just a BS excuse. They found zilch to exonerate Jeremy among the documents that would do so if her were innocent.  They want to pretend he is innocent though so claim documents that could clear him are being hidden.  The key things were all released- the statements, the notebooks...these are the documents that would provide clues if the police had framed him. 

[scipio_usmc]

Bamber told police that he left the anshuzt rifle with a fully loaded magazine, on the table in the kitchen - Now, there has been a bit of confusion surrounding what he means by his reference to "TABLE" in the "KITCHEN"? My understanding on questioning him at length on several occasions, is that his reference to the "TABLE" was in fact the settle bence in the hallway of the back kitchen, close to the rear external farm house door...

In any event, a magazine full of bullets, or as close to full as could possibly have been (10)

He told the initial responders he left it on the kitchen table.  Realizing this looked quite stupid he changed it to the settle when he spoke to investigators and made his written statement.

[scipio_usmc]

We know that 5 rounds which had originally been loaded into a 5 shot magazine, suspected of belonging to Anthony Pargeters bolt action rifle, had been removed and transferred into the 10 shot ammunition magazine, during the incident, and fired, because 5 cartridge cases were found to have got double magazine markings on them...

Pargeter's rifle wasn't there. There were a total of 6 rounds that had been in a magazine previously but unloaded.  All that means is that at some previous time someone didn't fire these 6 rounds and unloaded the magazine rather than leave the magazine of the weapon loaded. 5 of these were used by the killer on the victims.  The 6th was not used, it was one of the 30 unused rounds found in the kitchen.

[scipio_usmc]

First principle rifle used in the shootings - Anshuzt Rifle
Second principle rifle used in the shootings - Bruno Rifle
Third rifle used in shootings - police issue mini Ruger 14

There was only one rifle used the Anschutz, it fired all 25 rounds.  The 25 casings were all 22LR and all tied to the Anschutz.  The bullets were all 22LR.  Pargeter's rifle wasn't there and there is nothing at all to indicate it was used.  The Mini-14 fires 5.56mm NATO or .223 Remington which are larger than 22LR and are in fact jacketed rounds.  No jackets were recovered from the victims the rounds were all unjacketed lead 22LR bullets.  The notion a Mini 14 fired any of the rounds is absurd.

[mike tesko]

I suggest you get used to the true facts, and stop trying to unconfused yourself by deliberately trying to mislead everyone regarding the use of these different types of .22 ammunition - Fletcher clearly defines .22LR bullets, from .22 bullets, and a bullet. Two principle rifles were clearly used in these shootings, with ammunition purchased by Ralph Bamb and Anthony Pargeter...

[mike tesko]

The standard Eley manufacturers bullet weight for the type of ammunition purchased by Ralp Bamber weighed, 2.27 grams or 35 grain (2.26792)...

[scipio_usmc]

I suggest you get used to the true facts, and stop trying to unconfused yourself by deliberately trying to mislead everyone regarding the use of these different types of .22 ammunition - Fletcher clearly defines .22LR bullets, from .22 bullets, and a bullet. Two principle rifles were clearly used in these shootings, with ammunition purchased by Ralph Bamb and Anthony Pargeter...

You should take your own advice.  While I am using real facts you are making things up and it accomplishes nothing because made up things have no chance of convincing the COA to vacate Jeremy's conviction.  Nor will such sway objective, rational people believing Jeremy is innocent.  Only real evidence of his innocence would be able to do that.

Some of the bullet fragments were so small (including one bullet that was not recovered by Vanezis because it broke into such small pieces) that he couldn't assess they were subsonic 22LR hollow points just from the state of the fragments.  He had to use the casings in addition.  Making up that Sheila's initial wound was a jacketed round in either 5.56mm or .223 Remington accomplishes nothing except demonstrating you are dishonest.  Nothing establishes the wound was made by a high velocity, jacketed round let alone a round of larger size than 22LR.  No jacket was recovered, the bullet fragment recovered was .22 not 5.56mm or .223 Remington and two 22LR casings fired by the Anschutz were found near Sheila's body on the day of the murders.  Making up that the lab provided these casings a month later to plant is foolish given the photos and statements of those who viewed the scene on the day of the murders establishing the casings were there on the day of the murders.

   

 

[scipio_usmc]

You have identified yourself as the person who is responsible for providing misleading information about bullet weights used in these shootings. You should really try to get your facts right - you need to be looking at Eley .22LR subsonic hollow point ammunition, bought by Ralph Bamber, on the 30th November 1984. Ralph Bamber purchased 500 rounds of Eley .22LR subsonic hollow point bullets (35 Grain). You deliberately increased the Grain of the batch of bullets purchased by Ralph Bamber on that date, to try to eradicate the FACT that at least 7 bullets were too heavy to have originated from the same batch as those bought by Ralph on that date (30th November 1984)...

7 Heavy bullets

DRH/35 (a) - a .22 LR Bullet weighing 2.44g (pillow main bedroom)
DRH/35 (b) - a .22LR Bullet weighing 2.43g (pillow mainj bedroom)
PV/2 - a .22LR Bullet weighing 2.426g / 37.45 grain (Ralphs left arm)
PV/24 - a .22 Bullet weighing 2.4208g (June Bambers, right side of spine)
DRH/5 - a .22 LR Bullet weighing 2.42g / 37 grain (Main bedroom, near dressing table)
DRH/36 - a .22LR Bullet weighing 2.42g (Twins bedroom, right edge of left bed)
PV/23 - a .22LR Bullet weighing 2.29g (June Bambers chest)

Get your facts right, none of these 7 bullets originated from the batch of 35 grain Eley .22LR subsonic hollow point ammunition, purchased by Ralph Bamber, and clearly manuafactured, prior to 30th November 1984...

My facts are straight.  You are the liar not me.  Eley NEVER manufactured any subsonic hollow points in 35 grain.  I already produced an image of the exact packaging of the 40 grain rounds purchased by Nevill. 

I just produced the stats from Eley itself related to their 22LR subsonic Hollow points.

Go ahead and produce evidence that back in 1984 (when Nevill purchased the ammo) they used to make a 35 grain 22LR unjacketed hollow point.  You won't be able to because they didn't you simply made it up.

So not only can't you prove that Nevill bought 35 grain bullets even worse you can't even prove that in the early '80s Eley made a 22LR subsonic Hollow Point that weighed 35 grains.  You made up the claim they made 35 grain bullets, made up the claim Nevill bought such bullets and then piggybacked these lies with your lie that this means some of the bullets in the victims were larger than those bought by Nevill so had to have been fired by a different weapon.

Your ultimate lie still fails even if the bullets had been larger because the murder weapon could fire any 22LR bullet including 60 grain 22LR bullets.  So it still would fail to prove another weapon were used even if some of the 22LR bullets had been bigger than others.  But there is zero evidence any were bigger.  To try pretending some were bigger you created the lie that the complete bullets weighed 35 grain when in fact they weighed 40 grain.  Your antics just demonstrate your dishonesty nothing more.

I have no idea what you think you gain by such.