13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[David1819]

The amount of information held under PII is quite limited and none of it involves any evidence that could clear him, that kind of evidence can't be withheld.  The figures on how many documents are under PII from the campaign team is a made up figure.

That is pure speculation on your part.

[mike tesko]

Diagrams which show the position of cartridge cases is not proof of where the cartridge cases were actually found...

PC Bird photographed the exact location and position of the 25 cartridge cases...

[scipio_usmc]

That is pure speculation on your part.

No the speculation is from you about how much is held under PII and the nature of what is being held.

The burden is on you to prove how much is held under PII and what is being held not for me to disprove it.  Things the CCRC has but refuses to turn over the the defense clearly are not withheld under PII because the CCRC would not have them if that were the case.

[mike tesko]

Yet to be accounted for, is the loss of mass (x), involving the same bullet (PV/20) - everything is pointing towards removal of dried and diluted blood from the original PV/20, and the same being used to deliberately contaminate sound moderator, DB/1...

[mike tesko]

The batch of Eley .22lr rounds used in the shootings were 35 grain, not 40 grain...

[mike tesko]

The batch of Eley .22lr rounds used in the shootings were 35 grain, not 40 grain...

Somebody, has therefore been feeding us misinformation...

[scipio_usmc]

The batch of Eley .22lr rounds used in the shootings were 35 grain, not 40 grain...

Provide evidence.  You are the one constantly feeding false information to us.  These are the official stats from Eley:

[David1819]

No the speculation is from you about how much is held under PII and the nature of what is being held.

The burden is on you to prove how much is held under PII and what is being held not for me to disprove it.  Things the CCRC has but refuses to turn over the the defense clearly are not withheld under PII because the CCRC would not have them if that were the case.

From what you previously stated only Essex Police would know of and you are not part of Essex Police therefore you are speculating.

The CCRC does not have them but the CCRC forced Essex police to allow Jeremy's legal team access to the content. But the information still cannot be revealed to the public 

[scipio_usmc]

From what you previously stated only Essex Police would know of and you are not part of Essex Police therefore you are speculating.

The CCRC does not have them but the CCRC forced Essex police to allow Jeremy's legal team access to the content. But the information still cannot be revealed to the public

The Courts grant a PII order according to the site you posted.  Do you even bother reading things you post?

As for the CCRC they didn't force the release of anything to the defense they shared somethings with the defense.  The CCRC is not a court only a court can force police to share documents.  The CCRC shared documents with the defense though.

You seem to be contradicting yourself because on one hand you say you Jeremy's legal team has no way to know what has been Withheld under PII and then int he next breath you claim you know how many documents were withheld.

You don't know what if anything was withheld under PII and are just speculating.

[guest2181]

The Courts grant a PII order according to the site you posted.  Do you even bother reading things you post?

As for the CCRC they didn't force the release of anything to the defense they shared somethings with the defense.  The CCRC is not a court only a court can force police to share documents.  The CCRC shared documents with the defense though.

You seem to be contradicting yourself because on one hand you say you Jeremy's legal team has no way to know what has been Withheld under PII and then int he next breath you claim you know how many documents were withheld.

You don't know what if anything was withheld under PII and are just speculating.

PII didn't exist in 1986. There was Crown Privilege,  but they didn't record things in the same way as they do today.

[mike tesko]

Provide evidence.  You are the one constantly feeding false information to us.  These are the official stats from Eley:

You have identified yourself as the person who is responsible for providing misleading information about bullet weights used in these shootings. You should really try to get your facts right - you need to be looking at Eley .22LR subsonic hollow point ammunition, bought by Ralph Bamber, on the 30th November 1984. Ralph Bamber purchased 500 rounds of Eley .22LR subsonic hollow point bullets (35 Grain). You deliberately increased the Grain of the batch of bullets purchased by Ralph Bamber on that date, to try to eradicate the FACT that at least 7 bullets were too heavy to have originated from the same batch as those bought by Ralph on that date (30th November 1984)...

7 Heavy bullets

DRH/35 (a) - a .22 LR Bullet weighing 2.44g (pillow main bedroom)
DRH/35 (b) - a .22LR Bullet weighing 2.43g (pillow mainj bedroom)
PV/2 - a .22LR Bullet weighing 2.426g / 37.45 grain (Ralphs left arm)
PV/24 - a .22 Bullet weighing 2.4208g (June Bambers, right side of spine)
DRH/5 - a .22 LR Bullet weighing 2.42g / 37 grain (Main bedroom, near dressing table)
DRH/36 - a .22LR Bullet weighing 2.42g (Twins bedroom, right edge of left bed)
PV/23 - a .22LR Bullet weighing 2.29g (June Bambers chest)

Get your facts right, none of these 7 bullets originated from the batch of 35 grain Eley .22LR subsonic hollow point ammunition, purchased by Ralph Bamber, and clearly manuafactured, prior to 30th November 1984...

[mike tesko]

There were three types of ammunition used in the shootings inside whf, (1) 9x .22LR Bullets, (2) 15x .22 Bullets, and (3) 1 x a Bullet...

[mike tesko]

This brings us back to the use of the second principle rifle used in the shootings, using different ammunition than that purchased by Ralph Bamber (500 rounds) on the 30th November 1985). Study the evidence, the facts speak for themselves, it becomes difficult for anyone to argue against the now known facts. I am confident that at least 15 bullets used in the shootings did not originate from the batch of ammunition purchased by Ralph Bamber on the 30th November 1984. I suspect that these 15 bullets (15 x .22 bullet) belonged to Anthony Pargeters batch of .22 ammunition, purchased separately by him, and kept at the scene....

[mike tesko]

If I am right, and I am, it sheds a totally different light on the sequence of events involving the shooting of the victims during the tragedy...

What becomes apparent regarding my findings is that except for Sheila (in this presentation of the evidence), all the other four victims were shot by two different type of .22 ammunition (.22LR Bullets, and .22 Bullets). This throws doubt on the official explanation that this was a one gun crime, involving one type of the same batch of Eley ammunition...

Ralph Bamber

PV/2 a .22LR Bullet (2.4267g/ 37.45 grain) - left arm (1)
PV/4 a .22 Bullet (2.0999g) - Top front of skull
PV/3 a .22 Bullet (1.9368g) - Top of skull
PV/11 a .22 Bullet (1.93g) - Left side of neck
PV/8 a .22 Bullet (1.63g) - Left side base of skull
PV/10 a Bullet (1.14g) - Left side of neck
PV/5 a Fragment of a Bullet (Not weighed) - Left Jaw
PV/9 a .22 Bullet (Not weighed) - Top left side of brain

June Bamber

PV/24 a .22 Bullet (2.4208g) Right side of spine
PV/23 a .22LR Bullet (2.29g) Chest (2)
PV/25 a .22 Bullet (1.79g) Front of head
PV/26 a .22 Bullet (1.7783g) Left side of brain

Daniel Caffell

PV/29 a .22 Bullet (2.13g / 32.87grain) Right side of head
PV/36 - a .22LR Bullet (2.03g) Right temple (3)
PV/34 a .22 Bullet (1.7972g) Inside of skull
PV/35 a .22 Part of a .22 Bullet (Not weighed) Right temple

Nicholas Caffell

PV/31 a .22 Bullet (2.1223g) Top right side of head
PV/30 a .22LR Bullet (2.03g) Top of head (4)

Sheila Caffell

PV/19 - a .22 Bullet (2.16g) Brain
PV/20 - a .22 Bullet (1.5453g) Right side of neck

Other

DRH/35 (a) - .22LR Bullet (2.44g) pillow in main bedroom (5) June Bamber?
DRH/35 (b) - .22LR Bullet (2.43g) pillow in main bedroom (6) June Bamber?
DRH/5 - .22LR Bullet (2.42g / 37.00 grain) Nr dressing table in main bedroom (7)
DRH/36 - .22LR Bullet (2.42g) Right edge of left bed in childrens bedroom (8)
DRH/9 - .22LR Bullet (1.67g / 25.8 grain) Bed in main bedroom (9) June Bamber?

[mike tesko]

Two different type of bullet, used in two principle rifles, believed to have been (a) family owned .22 semi-automatic anshuzt rifle, and (b) Anthony Pargeters .22 Bruno bolt action rifle, using (x) .22LR bullets purchased by Anthony Pargeter, and (y) Eley .22 ammunition purchased by Ralph Bamber, on the 30th November 1984, known to have been kept at the scene at the time of the shootings...