13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[scipio_usmc]

She wasn't confused at all, this was a trained firearms instructor, in charge of a loaded gun at the scene of a siege, you do not give loaded guns to lunatics who easily get confused, or else she might end up shooting fellow colleagues, rather than victims or suspects. She was not confused, she knows what she saw and where she was standing when she was at the corner of WHITE / RED...

If she was in the white/red corner like you claim then what barn was she at? She said she was at the corner of a barn.  How could Moule be to her right and yet be at the green/white corner?  There was not even a containment site at the green/white corner she was CONFUSED about the colors and which side of the house was the front.  Moule was at the White/red corner she was at the White Containment location. 

[scipio_usmc]

I just found this thread where you admit the colors make no sense so her statement can't be right: 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4431.msg181999.html#msg181999

Sgt Jeapes reversed the red and green sides of the property.  She thus though to her right was the white green corner though it was the red white corner.  That explains everything. Everything fits fine if you realize that.

The people she said she relieved were on the white containment side and if she was at white containment Moule would be to her right.  She would be at the corner of the shed like she said.  So everything fits she just screwed up the colors.  She also incorrectly called it the front of the house though it was the side technically.  But she knew she was by the kitchen and everything flows fine by ignoring the color error and error of calling it the front.

 

   

[mike tesko]

I just found this thread where you admit the colors make no sense so her statement can't be right: 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4431.msg181999.html#msg181999

Sgt Jeapes reversed the red and green sides of the property.  She thus though to her right was the white green corner though it was the red white corner.  That explains everything. Everything fits fine if you realize that.

The people she said she relieved were on the white containment side and if she was at white containment Moule would be to her right.  She would be at the corner of the shed like she said.  So everything fits she just screwed up the colors.  She also incorrectly called it the front of the house though it was the side technically.  But she knew she was by the kitchen and everything flows fine by ignoring the color error and error of calling it the front.

Reply #1 on: June 22, 2013, 09:50:PM »

Grey bricked part of the farmhouse, includes the downstairs rooms of the lounge, front door, and dining room, and the upstair rooms, including the main bedroom...

I would not say that WPS Jeapes reversed the colour coding of the farmhouse in the way you are suggesting, or for the purpose you are saying she did. At the end of the day, she arrived at the scene and was deployed around the farmhouse, she did not stay static without moving, she obviously changed her position from moment to moment. There were times when the kitchen window and the rear external farmhouse door (WHITE SIDE) were in her sight, and there were times when the main bedroom window, the front door, and the dining room window (RED SIDE) were in her vision. Your approach has her in the same position at all times, and you introduce the argument that she was confused and had made an error. But, you are WRONG, she changed her position, and what is more there would have been times when she was facing towards the farmhouse, and other occasions she would have her back turned away from the house. It is this very same basic principle which explains what she was referring too when she said that this officer, and that officer, were on her right at a part of her duties, and so and so, on her left - was because at one time or other she may have been facing towards the farmhouse, whilst on other occasions she will have had her back turned to the house, in keeping with her training...

[mike tesko]

If she was in the white/red corner like you claim then what barn was she at? She said she was at the corner of a barn.  How could Moule be to her right and yet be at the green/white corner?  There was not even a containment site at the green/white corner she was CONFUSED about the colors and which side of the house was the front.  Moule was at the White/red corner she was at the White Containment location.

She did not stay static at all times, she moved around shifting her vantage point, which for some reason you do not appear to be able to grasp...

What I am saying, is that at the time she was covering WHITE and RED SIDES, she must have been at the corner of WHITE / RED, otherwise she could not be doing what she said she had been doing. If she was at the corner of WHITE / RED, then without doubt she would have been able to see the ashuzt rifle leaning up against the main bedroom window, she would have been able to see the front door of the farmhouse, and she would have been able to see the dining room window on the far side (RED) at the front of the house. Similarly, whilst in the general area of the corner of WHITE / RED, she would have been able to see the main kitchen window (WHITE), and the rear external farmhouse door (WHITE) at the back of the house...

One oddity in this matter, concerns the fact that the position of the front door (RED SIDE) and the rear back external door (WHITE SIDE) are not located on opposite sides of the farmhouse, they are situated on adjoining sides at a right angle to one another...

[mike tesko]

Reply #5 on: June 23, 2013, 07:54:AM

It is the contents of page 2 of Mrs Jeapes witness statement, which causes me to suspect that the colour coding for the four sides of the farmhouse were different at the time of the operation, and changed later for the purpose of the case being brought against Jeremy Bamber, under a crime reference of SC/786/85...

Note, that I said, "Which causes me to suspect that the colour coding for the four sides of the farmhouse were different at the time of the operation", etc. This was spoken about in this way in the context of the direction which members of the six man raid team approached the rear external door before smashing it down with an hammer. I will give a full explanation regarding this in due course...

[mike tesko]

Based upon information given in witness statements made by raid team officers, they approached the back external door from the direction of the following wall (WHITE SIDE):-

[mike tesko]

I believe that police got their pants in a twist, by introducing PC Collins explanation that he had seen the body of a female on the floor through the main kitchen window, which he said was a mistake, because once the raid team got into the kitchen he realized the body he thought was a female, turned out to be the body of Ralph Bamber. You see, bearing in mind the direction with which the raid team approached the rear farmhouse door, and the account given by PC Collins and others, he is supposed to have gone beyond the rear door to the kitchen window and looked and saw the female body on the floor, but he would have gone beyond the main kitchen window before he got to the rear external door, and therefore by going beyond the rear external door, to the window beyond the door, Collins would have been looking in through a window of the back kitchen, not the main kitchen. This was Jeremys approach to the matter a few years ago, which I looked into on his behalf. I found that whilst approaching the rear door on WHITE SIDE, Collins and the other raid team members would have all gone past the main kitchen window, got to the rear door, and if Collins went further beyond that door, he would indeed have ended up at the wrong kitchen window, and therefore could not possibly have seen Ralph Bambers body in the other kitchen and mistakenly identified Ralphs body as that of a female laying on the floor. You see, Ralphs body was not even laying on the kitchen floor in the other room, his body was crouched over and balancing precariously over and on top of an overturned wooden chair. So, it looked like Jeremys explanation was a valid one...

[mike tesko]

I believe that police got their pants in a twist, by introducing PC Collins explanation that he had seen the body of a female on the floor through the main kitchen window, which he said was a mistake, because once the raid team got into the kitchen he realized the body he thought was a female, turned out to be the body of Ralph Bamber. You see, bearing in mind the direction with which the raid team approached the rear farmhouse door, and the account given by PC Collins and others, he is supposed to have gone beyond the rear door to the kitchen window and looked and saw the female body on the floor, but he would have gone beyond the main kitchen window before he got to the rear external door, and therefore by going beyond the rear external door, to the window beyond the door, Collins would have been looking in through a window of the back kitchen, not the main kitchen. This was Jeremys approach to the matter a few years ago, which I looked into on his behalf. I found that whilst approaching the rear door on WHITE SIDE, Collins and the other raid team members would have all gone past the main kitchen window, got to the rear door, and if Collins went further beyond that door, he would indeed have ended up at the wrong kitchen window, and therefore could not possibly have seen Ralph Bambers body in the other kitchen and mistakenly identified Ralphs body as that of a female laying on the floor. You see, Ralphs body was not even laying on the kitchen floor in the other room, his body was crouched over and balancing precariously over and on top of an overturned wooden chair. So, it looked like Jeremys explanation was a valid one...

Jeremy reasoned that after Collins saw Sheila through the other kitchen window on WHITE SIDE, that Once police started to smash in the rear external door to the farm, that Sheila ran off upstairs and fled to the bedroom, but with hand on heart I see a problem with Jeremys (and his supporters) way of thinking, since, if Sheila fled upstairs just as the raid team were smashing open the rear external door, how could the same raid team, find (7.37am) find the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found in kitchen upon entry? (7.38am) One dead male, one dead female, (7.41am) Can someone contact the police surgeon and Coroners officer, regarding two bodies, (7.45am) Can you attend the office, since police are attending an incident at whf, involving a murder, and a suicide, (8.10am) after a thorough search, a further three bodies found upstairs. You see if Jeremy and his supporters account is right, then how did the raid team find two bodies upon entering the main kitchen? One was the body of a dead male, and the other the dead body of a female, one was a murder (Ralph Bamber), the other was a suicide (guess who this refers too)?

[mike tesko]

If anyone thinks that someone like me, is as it were, behind the door, so to speak, think again, because I am street wise, I am intelligent, and I am resourceful (according to the trial judge who sentenced me to a total of 54 years back in 1988 - December 2nd). I have lived through arguably the worst era of police and judicial corruption there has ever been. I am a victim of that system, there isn't anything that I don't know what the police and the cast in the judicial system can't get up too, I have lived through it, I am a victim of it, and anybody who has never been a victim in a miscarriage of justice can't judge me on the basis of their own experiences. I do not need anyone to tell me that Jeremy Bamber is guilty and that he did what he has been convicted of doing, he's innocent, that's the bottom line, the case against him was a fabricated one...

[mike tesko]

I don't  think Jeremy and his supporters account could possibly be true, for a number of reasons...

The fundamental fact that two bodies were found upon entry to the main kitchen, one male, one female, one a murder, one a suicide, must surely mean that no-one had fled the back kitchen to go upstairs to the main bedroom. At least, not that early in the proceedings. Two bodies had to be found, once the raid team entered the main kitchen...

[mike tesko]

I don't  think Jeremy and his supporters account could possibly be true, for a number of reasons...

The fundamental fact that two bodies were found upon entry to the main kitchen (7.37am), one male, one female (7.38am), one a murder, one a suicide (7.45am), must surely mean that no-one had fled the back kitchen to go upstairs to the main bedroom. At least, not that early in the proceedings. Two bodies had to be found (7.37am), once the raid team entered the main kitchen...

This is one example, of why Jeremy decided I was of no further use to him, and his cause...

[mike tesko]

I have never sought to tell any lies, or make anything up, to make the case out for Jeremy's innocence, that is not what I am about. I don't act on lies, I proceed in knowing the truth, at least on the basis that those I am trying to help, tell me the truth, their truth...

I would never abandon anyone who I set out to try and help, unless I came across a deliberate attempt by them to hoodwink me by telling a blatantly obvious lie that they knew I would go out of my way, to use to try and prove their innocence....

[mike tesko]

I have never sought to tell any lies, or make anything up, to make the case out for Jeremy's innocence, that is not what I am about. I don't act on lies, I proceed in knowing the truth, at least on the basis that those I am trying to help, tell me the truth, their truth...

I would never abandon anyone who I set out to try and help, unless I came across a deliberate attempt by them to hoodwink me by telling a blatantly obvious lie that they knew I would go out of my way, to use to try and prove their innocence....

Jeremy Bamber is innocent, in the same way that Princess Diana, was killed off...

The State, has its way of dealing with a certain type of character, like Diana, and Jeremy, and the Birmingham six, The Guildford four, the Swansea two and dare I say it, The Barnsley one, and every other case where the suspect turns out to be the victim...

[mike tesko]

Are police capable of lying - Yes, they are...

Will they lie, if they have to show moral support for one of their colleagues - Yes, they would...

Would they invent evidence, Yes they would...

Would they be prepared to make false witness statements, Yes they would...

Is, Jeremy Bamber, innocent, Yes he is...

[mike tesko]

I have been wrongly convicted of crimes I did not commit, I have been sentenced to sentences which I should not have served, I was a victim, just like Jeremy is, I did not serve as long as Jeremy has thus far served, but every minute I have been unlawfully in custody was a living hell. What I have learned is that the so called good people, the ones without Criminal records, can often be as evil as the ones, they pursue and try at all costs to prosecute, convict, and sentence...