13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[mike tesko]

The corner of WHITE / RED, afforded WPC Jeapes with an excellent view of the rifle at the main bedroom window, a view of the front door, and a view of the dining room light switched on:-

[scipio_usmc]

For all those interested in the truth, here is a picture which shows the cladded part of the farmhouse (I have highlighted the portion of the farmhouse clad in stone, as opposed to red brick, by yellow outline)...

You are not posting the truth you are posting a made up location for her position.

Her initial location was the green side watching the coal shed.  After the raid team went inside they requested the 2 people at the wall to go inside.  She then went to the wall to act as containment.  She stated explicitly the window to the right of the door was the kitchen window.

The corner containment position was in front of the house the kitchen door could not be seen from there.  The location is number 2 in the image I posted.  There was no need for her to go to that containment position there were 3 men there already- Brown, Mildinhall and Moule.  She went to the containment position for the White side because all of the men there went inside the house.   

[mike tesko]

You are stupid, the position I have given which was at the corner of WHITE / RED, cannot be any more accurate than I have put it. What I will say, is that her location was not permanently static or fixed. But on the occasion where Jeapes says she was at the corner of WHITE / RED, she had to be exactly where I have shown her to be, affording her a view of the rifle leaning against the bedroom window, she could see the front door, she could see the dining room window, nothing could be any clearer, she was not so disoriented that she did not know the front door from the rear door, or the main bedroom window from a box room window, or the dining room window from the kitchen window...

[mike tesko]

You are not posting the truth you are posting a made up location for her position.

Her initial location was the green side watching the coal shed.  After the raid team went inside they requested the 2 people at the wall to go inside.  She then went to the wall to act as containment.  She stated explicitly the window to the right of the door was the kitchen window.

The corner containment position was in front of the house the kitchen door could not be seen from there.  The location is number 2 in the image I posted.  There was no need for her to go to that containment position there were 3 men there already- Brown, Mildinhall and Moule.  She went to the containment position for the White side because all of the men there went inside the house.

She could see both doors from the general location identified in the diagram...

[mike tesko]

Well, you don't need to convince me of anything to do with where Jeapeas and the others were, or had been, at any given time, I am fully aware of where they all were from moment to moment. But when someone like Jeapes declares she was at the corner of WHITE / RED, there surely cannot be any doubt whatsoever as to where she was (at the corner) which afforded them the vantage point of the rifle at the bedroom window, a view ofthe front door, and the dining room window with light on...

[mike tesko]

Where others have made mistakes, and its easy to see why, is where they have chosen the corner of the cladded part of the house that I am about to identify, as being representative of the corner of WHITE / RED, but from that position, WPC Jeapes would not have been able to see the rifle leaning against the bedroom window, she would not have been able to see the front door, and she would not have been able to see the dining room window which was switched on...

[scipio_usmc]

You are stupid, the position I have given which was at the corner of WHITE / RED, cannot be any more accurate than I have put it. What I will say, is that her location was not permanently static or fixed. But on the occasion where Jeapes says she was at the corner of WHITE / RED, she had to be exactly where I have shown her to be, affording her a view of the rifle leaning against the bedroom window, she could see the front door, she could see the dining room window, nothing could be any clearer, she was not so disoriented that she did not know the front door from the rear door, or the main bedroom window from a box room window, or the dining room window from the kitchen window...

Now stop being so fucking downright stupid, because up to now you have done nothing but talk shite...

I posted the 4 containment locations on a photograph so that they can be seen fully accurately.  These locations come directly from the statements of those at the locations.

Jeapes was confused and misidentified her location at the wall as being the corner of red and white just like she incorrectly identified it as the front door. She was WRONG- 3 other men were at the white/red corner location.  She went to the White site not the red/white corner.

While you are busy trying to make up BS to pretend there were bodies moving around I am interested in accuracy and thus I put together a thread fully explaining the containment positions and who did what.  It is constructed directly from all the statements.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6630.0.html

The only people I failed to mention the locations of were the superiors who were inside various structures talking together and making plans who thus were not on containment duty.

Your interest is obfuscation while mine is establishing what factually occurred.

[mike tesko]

From the vantage point of the yellow line superimposed on the farmhouse, had WPC Jeapes been standing there, she would not have been able to see the rifle leaning against the bedroom window, she would not have been able to see the front door, and she would not have been able to see the dining room window on the red side of the house...

[scipio_usmc]

Where others have made mistakes, and its easy to see why, is where they have chosen the corner of the cladded part of the house that I am about to identify, as being representative of the corner of WHITE / RED, but from that position, WPC Jeapes would not have been able to see the rifle leaning against the bedroom window, she would not have been able to see the front door, and she would not have been able to see the dining room window which was switched on...

Jeapes was at this wall looking at the kitchen door thus identified the window next to it as the kitchen window and the room upstairs she was referring to was the box room.  She didn't relocate from the green side just to go into a corner that already had 3 men.  Moule was at the white red corner and yet she identified him as being quite a bit away from her she incorrectly identified she was at the corner or red and white, she was actually at the white side containment location.



Your distortions are a complete waste of time you are just digging a deeper hole but you seem to enjoy it, were you a miner?

[mike tesko]

I posted the 4 containment locations on a photograph so that they can be seen fully accurately.  These locations come directly from the statements of those at the locations.

Jeapes was confused and misidentified her location at the wall as being the corner of red and white just like she incorrectly identified it as the front door. She was WRONG- 3 other men were at that location.  She went to the White site not the red white corner and did so because people at the white side wall already had gone inside and she needed to fill in for them.

While you are busy trying to make up BS to pretend there were bodies moving around I am interested in accuracy and thus I put together a thread fully explaining the containment positions and who did what.  It is constructed directly from all the statements.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6630.0.html

The only people I failed to mention the locations of were the superiors who were inside various structures talking together and making plans who thus were not on containment duty.

Your interest is obfuscation while mine is establishing what factually occurred.

Listen birdbrain, I don't even know why I am tolerating you at the moment, please explain as simply as you can without making things up, what your interpretation of Jeapes being at the corner of WHITE / RED means. Just tell me in plain English where she was when she says she had that view from that position / location? Do you not agree, that in order for a person to be able to see across the face of the RED side of the farmhouse, and the WHITE side of the farmhouse, then Jeapes would have had to be in a very similar position to that which I have posted earlier...

[mike tesko]

Jeapes was where I said she was (Corner of WHITE / RED), and she saw the rifle leaning against the bedroom window at about 7.15am, a rifle which remained there until about 9.15am, at around this time it was removed from the window and handled upon and around Sheila's body, and she got shot by use of it in a bizarre shooting accident during a training exercise that went tits up...

[scipio_usmc]

Listen birdbrain, I don't even know why I am tolerating you at the moment, please explain as simply as you can without making things up, what your interpretation of Jeapes being at the corner of WHITE / RED means. Just tell me in plain English where she was when she says she had that view from that position / location? Do you not agree, that in order for a person to be able to see across the face of the RED side of the farmhouse, and the WHITE side of the farmhouse, then Jeapes would have had to be in a very similar position to that which I have posted earlier...

I just told you in plain English- WHEN she wrote up her statement she was confused about the various colors and sides of the house. 

She erroneously though she was at the front of the house when in fact she was at the side, the kitchen door is the side door not front.  She though that the location she was at was considered the red white corner position but it wasn't it was the white containment position.  They didn't have 4 corners of the house covered.  They had 2 corners covered a location that faced only green and another location that faced only white.  The green side was supposed to be the corner of black and green but they found nothing to hide behind and felt no one could run through the hedge so found an area near a shed to hide behind and blocked it because someone could potentially escape through there otherwise.

Jeapes relieved 3 raid team members who were at the White containment location.  She was thus at the wall with Webb and Rozga.  They left her during the raid and she wound up being the only one left int he White containment site.

She was thus at the wall and to her right was the red/white containment site with Moule and company.  She stated in her statement that Moule was to her right.  She stated the window to the door was the kitchen.  She erroneously thought the raid team entered through the kitchen.

I don't know how to say it in plainer English than this.   

[scipio_usmc]

Jeapes was where I said she was (Corner of WHITE / RED), and she saw the rifle leaning against the bedroom window at about 7.15am, a rifle which remained there until about 9.15am, at around this time it was removed from the window and handled upon and around Sheila's body, and she got shot by use of it in a bizarre shooting accident during a training exercise that went tits up...

According to her she was facing the door next to the kitchen window which means she was on the white side not the red white corner. 

[mike tesko]

I just told you in plain English- WHEN she wrote up her statement she was confused about the various colors and sides of the house. 

She erroneously though she was at the front of the house when in fact she was at the side, the kitchen door is the side door not front.  She though that the location she was at was considered the red white corner position but it wasn't it was the white containment position.  They didn't have 4 corners of the house covered.  They had 2 corners covered a location that faced only green and another location that faced only white.  The green side was supposed to be the corner of black and green but they found nothing to hide behind and felt no one could run through the hedge so found an area near a shed to hide behind and blocked it because someone could potentially escape through there otherwise.

Jeapes relieved Mercer.  She was at the green containment site with Dermott while Mercer went to talk to Jeremy. After the raid team entered she relocated to the White side because no one was at the white side anymore.  She was thus at the wall and to her right was the red/white containment site with Moule and company.  She stated in her statement that Moule was to her right.  She stated the window to the door was the kitchen.  She erroneously thought the raid team entered through the kitchen.

I don't know how to say it in plainer English than this.   

She wasn't confused at all, this was a trained firearms instructor, in charge of a loaded gun at the scene of a siege, you do not give loaded guns to lunatics who easily get confused, or else she might end up shooting fellow colleagues, rather than victims or suspects. She was not confused, she knows what she saw and where she was standing when she was at the corner of WHITE / RED...

[scipio_usmc]

In Jeapes statement posted on this site she demonstrates she was completely confused about the colors.

"I was then deployed to a containment position which was located on the corner of a barn facing the farm house, with a view to the right hand side of the premises.  In firearms terminology I was covering White/Red"

The above is talking about after she relocated from the green side and she relocated because the raid was happening.

What barn was she at? The barn she is referring to is the barn near the wall. She was at the wall and the barn was to her immediate right.

"I in fact took over from PC Alexander-Smart, PA 172 Collins and PC 627 Delgado and was aware that A/Ps 1596 Moule was about 12 yards behind me to my right and covering the white/green side of the premises, that is the left hand side of the farm, facing the barn."

This tells you even more that she has no clue about colors because the green/white side would be to her left if she were in the red/white corner.  Moreover, there was no green/white corner containment position at all.  To her right was the red/white corner containment position she was at the white containment position.  If you stand in the position of WHF to look at the shed she was referring to the left hand side is the front of the house.  So what she calls the left hand side facing the shed is the front of the house that is where Moule was.

She claimed she took over for Alexander-Smart, Collins and Delgado.  They were not at the red white corner. They were at the White Containment location. They were selected to do recon and thus were replaced by Sgt Jeapes, Webb and Rozga.  It's impossible for her to have replaced them in the red/white corner that's not where they were.   

"I saw that the front door of the farm was shut and that a light was on in the room to the right of this, which I understood was the kitchen. I could also see a window on the first floor of the white/red ride where the building is clad in grey brick in which was what appeared to be a rifle leaning against the window. There was no sign of movement in the house." 

She clearly was at the white containment site looking at the kitchen door. 

Jeapes was confused that is quite apparent.  However, by reading all the statements and actually trying to understand you can figure out she screwed up her colors and if you ignore the colors and just follow her descriptions you can determine where she was.