13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[Jan]

It says he wrote to her son and apparently got no response because never mentioned one:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2044.msg62622.html#msg62622

I'm not surprised he got no response since he was claiming Sheila was still alive and had not been checked to see if she was dead.  Jeapes probably figures he was off his rocker.  99 times out of 100 though if you ask even simple questions of people on facebook or via email or snail mail letter they are going to ignore you.  It is a rare breed that actually takes time to respond.

I was asking why the question was asked  if  you are so sure was the box room - her statement does not say which window.

[scipio_usmc]

I was asking why the question was asked  if  you are so sure was the box room - her statement does not say which window.

Because Bambergate didn't realize it, or didn't want to believe it because it is detrimental to his claims so hoped he could get her to say she was looking at the bedroom window.

In her statement she called the kitchen door the front door.  People uninterested in the truth have tried to use that to say she was looking at the bedroom window.  Of course the front of the house is narrow and has no red brick so it falls apart quite fast even before consulting the various reports that explain who was on what side and what the colors mean etc.

 

[Jan]

Because Bambergate didn't realize it, or didn't want to believe it because it is detrimental to his claims so hoped he could get her to say she was looking at the bedroom window.

In her statement she called the kitchen door the front door.  People uninterested in the truth have tried to use that to say she was looking at the bedroom window.  Of course the front of the house is narrow and has no red brick so it falls apart quite fast even before consulting the various reports that explain who was on what side and what the colors mean etc.

 

but I thought the box room was on the same side between the two bedrooms?

[lookout]

When you see the window with the rifle,then without,they're two different windows ?

[Patti]

but I thought the box room was on the same side between the two bedrooms?

Jan the room inbetween the main bedroom and Sheila's room was known as the needlework room, but it might have had boxes in it...This room is slightly set back from the landing and I think Hartley said or it could have been Vic that there was a window looking into that room from the landing or some sort of glass...but either side of the main bedroom were inhabited rooms used for storage..etc.  I guess Hartley could confirm one way or the other. 

[scipio_usmc]

but I thought the box room was on the same side between the two bedrooms?

There was a box room that could be accessed by the hall or the bedroom Sheila was using.  There was also a box room that was in between the master bedroom and the room the boys were in which had a door from each room but not from the hall. The one in front was used for sewing.  The one between the master bedroom and other bedroom was used for some sort of storage.  Presumably both used to be dressing rooms hence why they are attached to bedrooms.

The box room in between the master bedroom and the boy's room is the room that the window Jeapes was looking in corresponded to.

The officers Jeapes relieved (so that they could become part of the raid team) were watching the kitchen door.  That is one clue she was facing the "back" of the house.  But this further gives it away:

"I saw that the front door of the farm was shut and that a light was on in the room to the right of this [door], which I understood was the kitchen.  I could also see a window on the first floor of white/red side where the building is clad in gray brick in which was what appeared to be a rifle leaning against the window. There was no sign of movement in the house."

The window to the right of the front door was the dining room. Other officers were covering that side.  The door near the kitchen is the "back" door.  The whole front is clad in gray brick there was no reason to mention the portion in gray brick if she had actually been in front.     

[mike tesko]

Jeaps was facing the white side and she describes the grey brick...which is the box room that is in the middle of the main bedroom and the twins room...

She was covering the CORNER OF WHITE / RED...

[mike tesko]

The master bedroom originally had 2 windows.  For whatever reason they sealed off the window that faced the back of the house. This is the side Jeapes was on, there was no window to the master bedroom.  The newer part of the house had red brick the older part gray brick.  The window she described on the gray part is the boxroom. The windows on the red part (moving from right to left) were where the twins were and then a bathroom window and then 2 windows above the coal shed.

The master bedroom window is actually on the side of the house with the front door.  What Jeapes called the front door is actually the kitchen door (often called the back door but if you want to get technical it is a side door because that is actually a side of the house not the back.  The back is actually where the coal shed is).

Jeapes was COVERING THE CORNER OF WHITE / RED...

[mike tesko]

There is no way Sheila left the master bedroom after she was shot anymore than June did.  Mike is busy spinning his wheels claiming she could have been in the kitchen.  Neither of them could have been in the kitchen shot. Police who entered identified only Nevill as being in the kitchen not 2 people.  There was no blood or anything else from any other victim there.  Sheila;s second shot was delivered within seconds of her first shot and she never stood up or the blood would have been down her gown.  There is less a chance of Sheila being in the kitchen then June.

Sheila's blood was present in the kitchen, you should take more care when stating facts which you claim are true, when in fact they are not true - her heavily bloodstained knickers were soaking in a plastic bucket of cold water right there in the kitchen...

[mike tesko]

I was asking why the question was asked  if  you are so sure was the box room - her statement does not say which window.

Look for photographs which show a view of the corner of white / red, and everything becomes clear..,

[mike tesko]

Because Bambergate didn't realize it, or didn't want to believe it because it is detrimental to his claims so hoped he could get her to say she was looking at the bedroom window.

In her statement she called the kitchen door the front door.  People uninterested in the truth have tried to use that to say she was looking at the bedroom window.  Of course the front of the house is narrow and has no red brick so it falls apart quite fast even before consulting the various reports that explain who was on what side and what the colors mean etc.

 

the corner of white / red, is situated between the front door, and the back door...

[mike tesko]

There was a box room that could be accessed by the hall or the bedroom Sheila was using.  There was also a box room that was in between the master bedroom and the room the boys were in which had a door from each room but not from the hall. The one in front was used for sewing.  The one between the master bedroom and other bedroom was used for some sort of storage.  Presumably both used to be dressing rooms hence why they are attached to bedrooms.

The box room in between the master bedroom and the boy's room is the room that the window Jeapes was looking in corresponded to.

The officers Jeapes relieved (so that they could become part of the raid team) were watching the kitchen door.  That is one clue she was facing the "back" of the house.  But this further gives it away:

"I saw that the front door of the farm was shut and that a light was on in the room to the right of this [door], which I understood was the kitchen.  I could also see a window on the first floor of white/red side where the building is clad in gray brick in which was what appeared to be a rifle leaning against the window. There was no sign of movement in the house."

The window to the right of the front door was the dining room. Other officers were covering that side.  The door near the kitchen is the "back" door.  The whole front is clad in gray brick there was no reason to mention the portion in gray brick if she had actually been in front.   

Corner of white red, where the building is clad...

Standing at that corner, the main bedroom window was. Visible to WPC Jeapes. Furthermore, at the position she was stood facing the house, she could see the front door and the dining room window..,

That angle allowed her to see the rifle leaning against the right hand side of the main bedroom window, nothing could be any clearer...

[Jane]

Sheila's blood was present in the kitchen, you should take more care when stating facts which you claim are true, when in fact they are not true - her heavily bloodstained knickers were soaking in a plastic bucket of cold water right there in the kitchen...

THAT is really scraping the bottom of the bucket in which they were soaking!!!

[scipio_usmc]

Sheila's blood was present in the kitchen, you should take more care when stating facts which you claim are true, when in fact they are not true - her heavily bloodstained knickers were soaking in a plastic bucket of cold water right there in the kitchen...

Panties with menstrual stains on them doesn't equate to her blood being found in the kitchen in a location that indicates she had been shot there or after being shot walked in/was dragged in but then left.

[scipio_usmc]

Corner of white red, where the building is clad...

Standing at that corner, the main bedroom window was. Visible to WPC Jeapes. Furthermore, at the position she was stood facing the house, she could see the front door and the dining room window..,

That angle allowed her to see the rifle leaning against the right hand side of the main bedroom window, nothing could be any clearer...

According to Jeapes she was standing at a shed.  She said said she took over at the containment position used by Collins, Delgado and Alexander-Smart.  They were on the kitchen side 30 meters from the house by the shed. 

Here is this shed they were near so that if necessary they could jump behind it for cover to protect themselves:



They were observing the kitchen side of the property.  They could not see in the master bedroom window.

Given the distance from the house they could not see in any of the upper floor windows. At best they would be able to see something that is right against the window they would have no depth perception.  She thought she saw something leaning against the boxroom window which was like a skinny stick so thought it might a rifle barrel.  A broom would look the same as a rifle barrel because all she could see is what appeared to be a skinny thing sticking up.  She couldn't see the lower portion of whatever she saw only the top portion.  Whatever it was never moved, it was still there when the raid team found the bodies.

If it had been the murder weapon that would have been even ore proof that Sheila was murdered because after she was dead she couldn't have taken the gun and walked it to the boxroom window nor could she have walked it to the master bedroom window for that matter.   

So on top of making things up you are making up things that if true would be even more evidence Sheila didn't commit suicide.  Gee I wonder why Jeremy doesn't want your help...