13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[scipio_usmc]

Wasn't there evidence from WPC Jeapes that the rifle was by the window?

No Jeapes wasn't facing the the bedroom window she was facing the window of the storage room adjacent to the master bedroom.  She said she saw something sticking up that looked like it could have been the barrel of a rifle leaning against the windowsill. She could have seen the top of a broom for all she knew or a reflection of a stick even.  Whatever she saw never moved and was still there when police found the weapon on Sheila's body so quite clearly it wasn't the barrel of the murder weapon.  It could not be on Sheila's body and in the window of a different room at the same time.

Since no photos of the box room were released we have no idea what was in that room at the time of the murders and can't say what she might have seen but for sure it wasn't the murder weapon.

   

[Jan]

He said he saw a body of an elderly female.  He says that body was in the same location when he went inside and it was Nevil not an old woman like he thought.  The body was in a location visible from the window he looked in.

You made up that he claimed the body was in a different location than Nevill's. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes no sense because all you do is undermine your own credibility you fail to accomplish anything else by it.

it makes no sense to lie about shooting a man in the back whilst he is running away from you - but it happens .

[Patti]

No Jeapes wasn't facing the the bedroom window she was facing the window of the storage room adjacent to the master bedroom.  She said she saw something sticking up that looked like it could have been the barrel of a rifle leaning against the windowsill. She could have seen the top of a broom for all she knew or a reflection of a stick even. Whatever she saw never moved and was still there when police found the weapon on Sheila's body so quite clearly it wasn't the barrel of the murder weapon.  It could not be on Sheila's body and in the window of a different room at the same time.

Since no photos of the box room were released we have no idea what was in that room at the time of the murders and can't say what she might have seen but for sure it wasn't the murder weapon.

 

Where have you got that from Scip?

[Jan]

No Jeapes wasn't facing the the bedroom window she was facing the window of the storage room adjacent to the master bedroom.  She said she saw something sticking up that looked like it could have been the barrel of a rifle leaning against the windowsill. She could have seen the top of a broom for all she knew or a reflection of a stick even.  Whatever she saw never moved and was still there when police found the weapon on Sheila's body so quite clearly it wasn't the barrel of the murder weapon.  It could not be on Sheila's body and in the window of a different room at the same time.

Since no photos of the box room were released we have no idea what was in that room at the time of the murders and can't say what she might have seen but for sure it wasn't the murder weapon.

 

how do you deduct from her statement it was the box room?

[Patti]

how do you deduct from her statement it was the box room?

Jeaps was facing the white side and she describes the grey brick...which is the box room that is in the middle of the main bedroom and the twins room...

[Jan]

is the grey brick only by that room then?

[Jan]

Its strange because I found a post from bambergate where he was going to write to Jeapes to ask which window on that side of the house she saw the rifle - that's why I asked.

[scipio_usmc]

it makes no sense to lie about shooting a man in the back whilst he is running away from you - but it happens .

What does that have to do with the point I am making to Mike?  I don't see why he is so deadset on destroying his credibility for naught.  He is not accomplishing anything else.

 

[lookout]

Its strange because I found a post from bambergate where he was going to write to Jeapes to ask which window on that side of the house she saw the rifle - that's why I asked.

Jan,I think you'll find reference to that on the thread which is headed Bambergate. He did write to her.

[Jan]

What does that have to do with the point I am making to Mike?  I don't see why he is so deadset on destroying his credibility for naught.  He is not accomplishing anything else.

because you were implicating it could not happen because it does not make sense. But what I was saying is you are relying on the officers not telling lies as a cover up.

I am not making an argument for or against -just saying - it does happen

[lookout]

Jan,I think you'll find reference to that on the thread which is headed Bambergate. He did write to her.

Included on the same thread are documents which only came to light in 2004.

[scipio_usmc]

is the grey brick only by that room then?

The master bedroom originally had 2 windows.  For whatever reason they sealed off the window that faced the back of the house. This is the side Jeapes was on, there was no window to the master bedroom.  The newer part of the house had red brick the older part gray brick.  The window she described on the gray part is the boxroom. The windows on the red part (moving from right to left) were where the twins were and then a bathroom window and then 2 windows above the coal shed.

The master bedroom window is actually on the side of the house with the front door.  What Jeapes called the front door is actually the kitchen door (often called the back door but if you want to get technical it is a side door because that is actually a side of the house not the back.  The back is actually where the coal shed is).

[lookout]

Included on the same thread are documents which only came to light in 2004.

Also an interesting post by tyler who'd explained that police seeing the body of a woman lying on the kitchen floor must have been right in their findings because Neville was found slumped in his chair ? Dead men can't move either.

[scipio_usmc]

Jan,I think you'll find reference to that on the thread which is headed Bambergate. He did write to her.

It says he wrote to her son and apparently got no response because never mentioned one:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2044.msg62622.html#msg62622

I'm not surprised he got no response since he was claiming Sheila was still alive and had not been checked to see if she was dead.  Jeapes probably figures he was off his rocker.  99 times out of 100 though if you ask even simple questions of people on facebook or via email or snail mail letter they are going to ignore you.  It is a rare breed that actually takes time to respond. 

[scipio_usmc]

because you were implicating it could not happen because it does not make sense. But what I was saying is you are relying on the officers not telling lies as a cover up.

I am not making an argument for or against -just saying - it does happen

There is no way Sheila left the master bedroom after she was shot anymore than June did.  Mike is busy spinning his wheels claiming she could have been in the kitchen.  Neither of them could have been in the kitchen shot. Police who entered identified only Nevill as being in the kitchen not 2 people.  There was no blood or anything else from any other victim there.  Sheila;s second shot was delivered within seconds of her first shot and she never stood up or the blood would have been down her gown.  There is less a chance of Sheila being in the kitchen then June.